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<blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5965148" data-attributes="member: 6668292"><p>I'm not extremely well acquainted with 4e, but when I brought this up earlier, I wasn't really shown how 4e did this to any real extent outside of combat (through dailies, etc.). But, maybe I missed something (entirely possible).</p><p></p><p>What system does 4e have that allows players the ability to define their characters reliably, and arrange for dramatic moments for them to add to the story (that isn't reliant upon DM approval)?</p><p></p><p>To my knowledge, this mostly comes in the form of skills and skill challenges, and, as far as I know, the skill DCs in 4e are set by the DM (as is determining if a skill can be used in a skill challenge, generally). Doesn't this mean that outside of combat (where dailies and etc. are used), 4e still relies heavily on DM fiat, which would put "a huge burden on the DM and rob the players of the ability to define their characters, arrange dramatic moments for them that add to the developing story."</p><p></p><p>Again, unless I'm missing something (which I very well could be). I'm interested in your take on the dynamic, player-empowered non-combat capabilities that players can reliably use to shape the fiction without DM approval (which means, too, that DCs should be reliably defined with they're to be interacted with regularly). Basically, where are you coming from on this front? I'm curious. As always, play what you like <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JamesonCourage, post: 5965148, member: 6668292"] I'm not extremely well acquainted with 4e, but when I brought this up earlier, I wasn't really shown how 4e did this to any real extent outside of combat (through dailies, etc.). But, maybe I missed something (entirely possible). What system does 4e have that allows players the ability to define their characters reliably, and arrange for dramatic moments for them to add to the story (that isn't reliant upon DM approval)? To my knowledge, this mostly comes in the form of skills and skill challenges, and, as far as I know, the skill DCs in 4e are set by the DM (as is determining if a skill can be used in a skill challenge, generally). Doesn't this mean that outside of combat (where dailies and etc. are used), 4e still relies heavily on DM fiat, which would put "a huge burden on the DM and rob the players of the ability to define their characters, arrange dramatic moments for them that add to the developing story." Again, unless I'm missing something (which I very well could be). I'm interested in your take on the dynamic, player-empowered non-combat capabilities that players can reliably use to shape the fiction without DM approval (which means, too, that DCs should be reliably defined with they're to be interacted with regularly). Basically, where are you coming from on this front? I'm curious. As always, play what you like :) [/QUOTE]
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