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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kipling" data-source="post: 1260580" data-attributes="member: 14955">That's what the book calls "noble killing" -- killing of something human that is condoned (and of course the book never gets into killing demons, etc. You could argue that there would be a difference between a sludge monster and a zombie; the more human it looks, the higher the DC.)I agree that they don't drop their weapons, so maybe dazed is better--and of course there are the 2% of people who show no compunction against killing at all.The book is On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society, by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, ISBN 031633000, Back Bay Books.Fascinating stuff--there's evidence that the majority of soldiers in the US Civil War never fired at all, they just kept reloading to make it look like they had fired; abandoned weapons all over the field had five, eight, nine, ten balls packed and primed in the barrel. The Marshall study, after World War II, asked two questions: Did you see the enemy? and Did you fire? They found that of those who had seen the enemy, only something like a quarter of them fired.With modern training techniques, that's been raised to a much higher figure, but there are many forces involved (small group loyalty, for example).</blockquote>