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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7165849" data-attributes="member: 996">It helps that they were mostly Strikers.&nbsp; The Striker role is very straightforward.&nbsp; I have Pixie Thieves and a Hexblade in an epic level campaign, the Theives were noticing a lack of 'bring it' options when everyone else was unloading (they usually just backstab away, so it's SoP, not A game), so I made sure they got some nice item dailies they could pull out.&nbsp; The Hexblade has been perplexed by what he feels is somewhat un-even advancement and recently even a 'dead' level.&nbsp; I'm not sure what's up with that, I don't see it, in theory...&nbsp;It's an unsuccessful design, but it's still spamming, a degenerate mode of play, which is exactly what the daililess E-classes do, by successful design.&nbsp; &nbsp;Heh.&nbsp; If you toss the Expertise feat taxes and Essentials feats in general, PC numbers 'fall behind' the monsters at very high level - and those stat-scaling bonuses/penalties from leaders/controllers more than make up for it when it counts.&nbsp; It was a delicate dance that Expertise &amp;c disrupted early and was never quite brought back in step.&nbsp;Save penalties, OTOH, definitely needed a lid kept on them, for the most part.&nbsp; (Near auto-success/failure on a single save due to a stat-mod leader buff or controller debuff doesn't sound bad - the problem was when you could extend a penalty like that into a protracted lock-down.)&nbsp; I'm sure the psion would have gotten fixed up like the Orbizard was, if WotC hadn't gotten allergic to errata in the run of Essentials.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7165849, member: 996"] It helps that they were mostly Strikers. The Striker role is very straightforward. I have Pixie Thieves and a Hexblade in an epic level campaign, the Theives were noticing a lack of 'bring it' options when everyone else was unloading (they usually just backstab away, so it's SoP, not A game), so I made sure they got some nice item dailies they could pull out. The Hexblade has been perplexed by what he feels is somewhat un-even advancement and recently even a 'dead' level. I'm not sure what's up with that, I don't see it, in theory... It's an unsuccessful design, but it's still spamming, a degenerate mode of play, which is exactly what the daililess E-classes do, by successful design. Heh. If you toss the Expertise feat taxes and Essentials feats in general, PC numbers 'fall behind' the monsters at very high level - and those stat-scaling bonuses/penalties from leaders/controllers more than make up for it when it counts. It was a delicate dance that Expertise &c disrupted early and was never quite brought back in step. Save penalties, OTOH, definitely needed a lid kept on them, for the most part. (Near auto-success/failure on a single save due to a stat-mod leader buff or controller debuff doesn't sound bad - the problem was when you could extend a penalty like that into a protracted lock-down.) I'm sure the psion would have gotten fixed up like the Orbizard was, if WotC hadn't gotten allergic to errata in the run of Essentials. [/QUOTE]

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