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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7171256" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Some Themes were packaged with a Background benefit, you could take the Theme benefit, or that of one of your Backgrounds.</p><p></p><p> There's all sorts of player/DM system-mastery and style factors that can mitigate against seeing a balance issue. There are folks still convinced 3.5 was balanced. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p> I've seen all three. I saw a Vampire do quite well /in Lair Assault/, so at least it could be optimized. And the Bladesinger I was playing alongside in the first Neverwinter Encounters season rocked - at least, he did alongside a Warlord, and as a Striker, not a Controller. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> And one player had a load of fun with a Revenant Binder. Mostly fun with it being a Revenant and comically sinister ("'Alignment? On the advice of my attorney: 'Unaligned").</p><p></p><p>That some of the E-classes were off balance-wise (mostly imbalanced low, the Wizard sub-classes, particularly the Mage, arguably high), is not to suggest they were anywhere near as imbalanced as in other editions. Essentials introduced some Tier 4 classes to keep the poor, under-supported Seeker & Runepriest company, and maybe edged the Wizard up into Tier 2.</p><p></p><p> Over what levels, and in what circumstances, though. IMX, the cracks show at higher levels, and when the party has run up against some very challenging encounters where everyone had to bring their 'A game,' and the daililess types discovered they didn't have anything to bring, just the same stuff they did every encounter - after that, I made sure they just happened to find an item or few with really nice dailies...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7171256, member: 996"] Some Themes were packaged with a Background benefit, you could take the Theme benefit, or that of one of your Backgrounds. There's all sorts of player/DM system-mastery and style factors that can mitigate against seeing a balance issue. There are folks still convinced 3.5 was balanced. ;) I've seen all three. I saw a Vampire do quite well /in Lair Assault/, so at least it could be optimized. And the Bladesinger I was playing alongside in the first Neverwinter Encounters season rocked - at least, he did alongside a Warlord, and as a Striker, not a Controller. ;) And one player had a load of fun with a Revenant Binder. Mostly fun with it being a Revenant and comically sinister ("'Alignment? On the advice of my attorney: 'Unaligned"). That some of the E-classes were off balance-wise (mostly imbalanced low, the Wizard sub-classes, particularly the Mage, arguably high), is not to suggest they were anywhere near as imbalanced as in other editions. Essentials introduced some Tier 4 classes to keep the poor, under-supported Seeker & Runepriest company, and maybe edged the Wizard up into Tier 2. Over what levels, and in what circumstances, though. IMX, the cracks show at higher levels, and when the party has run up against some very challenging encounters where everyone had to bring their 'A game,' and the daililess types discovered they didn't have anything to bring, just the same stuff they did every encounter - after that, I made sure they just happened to find an item or few with really nice dailies... [/QUOTE]
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