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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 5836483" data-attributes="member: 63508">Again I've seen many fans discuss their views of how the basic versions of the various classes. There are some that want all classes to start off looking like "new thing a level" 3rd edition monks to fighters that are weapon and armor proficiency period.I personally think; besides HD, base attack/defense, and basic weapon and armor proficiencies; three or four additional class features of 1 to 2 paragraphs is enough. It would be small enough to keep it simple for fans of older editions, have enough to not bore newer fans, and have a nice amount to let DMs and players have something to trade with when inserting modules.So my core four module-less classes would look like:Cleric-HD, Attack/Defense Bonus-Simple Weapon & Light Armor Proficiency-Medium Armor, Heavy Armor, & Shield Proficiency-Divine Spellcasting-Domain Spellcasting-Turn UndeadFighter-HD, Attack/Defense Bonus-Simple Weapon & Light Armor Proficiency-Martial Weapons, Medium Armor, Heavy Armor, & Shield Proficiency-Weapon Focus -Warrior CourageRogue-HD, Attack/Defense Bonus-Rogue Weapon & Light Armor Proficiency-Sneak Attack-Mechanical Mastery-Rogue CunningWizards-HD, Attack Bonus-Wizard Weapon Proficiency-Arcane Spell Casting-Spellbook-Familiar-School SpecializationI think three or four is good. Enough for two or three pages with pictures. Do you agree?</blockquote>