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<blockquote data-quote="Tomcat1066" data-source="post: 4380353" data-attributes="member: 73493">Is it possible that they appear unbalanced in your game not because of the rules, but the players?&nbsp; Some people play clerics well and wizards poorly, or vice versa.&nbsp; As such, the problems may be partially because of players and play styles.&nbsp;As for balance, it's not balanced.&nbsp; Balanced is for my 20th level fighter to be the match for a 20th level wizard.&nbsp; Ain't gonna happen.&nbsp; I think the big issue is the style of game you run makes this much more obvious.&nbsp; I think the wizards and be spiffed up a bit, and I'm working on something like this:&nbsp;-spontaneous casting like sorcerers.-Sorcerer's known spell table.-Wizards spells cast per day table.&nbsp;It beefs up the wizard a bit.&nbsp; Of course, in my incarnation, I'm also nerfing them a bit as well, but that's a personal thing.&nbsp; My style of DMing is far different from the original poster's so I suspect my nerfing efforts won't benefit him <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tomcat1066, post: 4380353, member: 73493"] Is it possible that they appear unbalanced in your game not because of the rules, but the players? Some people play clerics well and wizards poorly, or vice versa. As such, the problems may be partially because of players and play styles. As for balance, it's not balanced. Balanced is for my 20th level fighter to be the match for a 20th level wizard. Ain't gonna happen. I think the big issue is the style of game you run makes this much more obvious. I think the wizards and be spiffed up a bit, and I'm working on something like this: -spontaneous casting like sorcerers. -Sorcerer's known spell table. -Wizards spells cast per day table. It beefs up the wizard a bit. Of course, in my incarnation, I'm also nerfing them a bit as well, but that's a personal thing. My style of DMing is far different from the original poster's so I suspect my nerfing efforts won't benefit him ;) [/QUOTE]

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