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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 8558388" data-attributes="member: 326">Yes it changes the rules by re-writing one of the core tables in the DMG...will 50 million players adopt this new table do you think? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I'm still making up my mind on it all. Challenge Rating is just a number, but here's the thing.The WotC (CR 20+) monsters are a bunch of milquetoast wasters. Lets take Orcus for example. That stat-block does not simply represent what they consider a CR 26  threat - it represents one of the most powerful Demon Princes who is a defacto Lesser God in the Abyss. I can't recall exactly, but some of his attacks do about 10 damage or something. WotC Orcus is a LAUGHING STOCK to Epic Players who will eat him up and **** him out ALL DAY, EVERY DAY....and don't talk to me about the Tarrasque, the official stats are hopeless, how does that represent any threat to an Epic Party. It doesn't. It'll be mincemeat in a round.The whole fundamental difficulty ascribed to "CR 20+" official monsters is crazy. Players do not FEAR epic level monsters because they are complete pushovers.My plan is to stop the rot, make EPIC great again, give the monsters back their mojo and put the FEAR back into high-level players. You can't do that and retain the WotC comparisons. The official monsters are too easily dispatched to warrant being Demon Princes, Demigods or whatever.When I look at Orcus' stat block I can't design a Demon Prince to be that weak. It doesn't make logical sense to me.You are worried about the arbitrary number given to these monsters, but the bigger picture is what should these monsters (of a given CR)  represent...pushovers or challenges.I suspect maybe you might lambast me using a slightly different Challenge Rating methodology, but at the same time you'd either buff the official Orcus stats or make a completely new stat-block for him.</blockquote>

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