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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Weeble" data-source="post: 210011" data-attributes="member: 4514">In case you were wondering why you would apologize to me.."What Weeble has stated is that any magic items that an item creator makes are charged against his character wealth at creation cost, not market value, which is incorrect. When he failed to prove his argument, he shifted to a more broad argument that the character wealth by level table is simply meant as a guide to limit how much treasure a character will find, though anything he makes is not applied in the same way, which is ludicrous.This is not as simple as Weeble disagreeing with the purpose of the character wealth by level guidelines and simply house ruling that they don't apply as stated in the book. If that were true, then this whole thread wouldn't have gotten this far. The first time I brought up character wealth limits, he would have said "I don't follow those." But he didn't say that. He proceded to argue that my stance, which is correct and by the rules, was wrong, and that the table does not apply to item creators in the same way, even if the creator gives an item to someone else, it would be half price.It is true that both Weeble and myself do not strictly adhere to the character wealth guidelines at all times, but we do so for different reasons. I will stray from said guidelines when the addition of an item to a character's inventory, whether it be magical or mundance, would have no impact upon the balance between all of the players. Weeble, however, strays from the guidelines simply because he doesn't have a clue as to how they work. He's a player, and if he's a DM, then he's definately new at this because it's quite obvious that he has no idea as to what he's talkin' about.He wants me to quote relevant rules in the DMG which state that magic items count against the wealth of an item creator just like anything else, but I can't, because there aren't any that specifically and bluntly state this. I must rely upon all of the relevant information in the DMG, which must be assembled like a puzzle, so that the true system behind character wealth and item creation can be seen and clearly understood.The best Weeble can do is rape the rules by quoting a section of the DMG and totally screwing up the definition and/or meaning of said section. He doesn't know the rules, and he most certainly does not even know what's right in front of him in the DMG. Which is strange, by the way, because he's apparently a DM, yet he doesn't get it. It would be one thing if he simply disagreed with the DMG, or he just wanted to make a house rule, but that's not the case. He just doesn't get it.Thus, my theory is looking pretty darned sound: That he's nothing but a disgruntled player who wants to be able to carry around far more stuff than would normally be allowed and he is attempting to gather ammunition to use against his DM. He might be trying to prove to everyone that his interpretation is correct for the sole purpose of saving his own hide and preserving his sense of worth and self-respect.It may also be very possible that he's just a fresh DM. In either case, I don't care. I know he's wrong, and since he's too stubborn to admit it, I can only pray that he will one day see beyond the blinding veil of pride that completely clouds his vision. *shrug*"</blockquote>

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