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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FoxWander" data-source="post: 3632368" data-attributes="member: 1356">Yeah, the price and creation costs of the golem manuals are a bit wonky, but I had already managed to figure out what you illustrated here. Most of the price comes from the XP the manual provides for golem creation. But everything adds up nicely once you you figure out where it's coming from: Price = 2x Materials cost + the Extra XP value. But what's hard to breakdown is that materials cost. Take the Greater Stone Golem Manual you used here- what's the formula to arrive at the 2,900 gp cost to create the manual (minus the bonus XP)? After all, that price should account for everything the manual provides except for the XP, as you show here...Breaking that down the +5 bonus to Craft can be covered by a single use, use activated Magecraft spell (ECS, p. 113). That should be 50gp, same as potion. Granted the craft bonus last longer than the spells duration of 1 day, but that's close enough.Use of the Craft Construct feat and the Caster level bonus? I don't know how to account for the price of those. Those kinds of effects are hard to price anyway, and these only last long enough to use the item... so I'll leave those alone for now. I'll see how much is unaccounted for after the spells.The spells included in a Greater Stone Golem Manual are: antimagic field, geas/quest and symbol of stunning. And they should be at caster level 16. Since they're spell trigger activation, the price "should" be as a Staff with 1 charge for each spell. So that's full price for Symbol of Stunning (7 * 16 * 375 = 42,000) + 75% for Antimagic Field (6 * 16 * 375 * 0.75 = 27,000) + 50% for Geas/Quest (6 * 16 * 375 * 0.5 = 18,000) = 87,000 / 50 = 1,740 * 3 = 5,220 gp. See, that's why I put should in quotes. I didn't think that price would work out.The price works out perfectly if you price them as Scrolls and use the price reductions for multiple effects as a Staff. Just to show the work...100% for Symbol of Stunning:  7 * 16 * 12.5 = 1,40075% for Antimagic Field:  6 * 16 * 12.5 * 0.75 = 90050% for Geas/Quest:  6 * 16 * 12.5 * 0.5 = 600Total = 2,900 gpWorks out fine... IF you throw in the Crafting bonus, feat and caster level bonus for free.I'll run the numbers for the other Golem Manual spells and see if they account for the Materials Cost as well. But I have one more thing to comment on...Yes, that's the bit that's MOST annoying. Calling out the cost of the body as not included AND THEN the golem descriptions having a seperate "body cost" aside from the creation cost, makes this whole deal VERY annoying and opens up too much for individual interpretation. I mean Golem's are expensive, and the difference between those body and creation costs are huge!For what it's worth, I thought about it after posting this morning (which was after staying up all night) and it DOES make since that the cost of the body should be the FULL golem creation cost. The main value of the manual is in the XP it provides. Without a Manual you have to pay the creation cost and then give up the XP too. The other perks of using the Manual are just icing on the cake. And apparently WOTC thinks so too since the appear to be free of charge. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

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