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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GrimCo" data-source="post: 9416585" data-attributes="member: 7044462">Average human, in typical low level 2ed ad&d would fair no worse than average adventurer. Fighter, tankiest class, has at lv 1 only 1d10 hp. And you roll it, no max on 1st level. Bonus hp is for CON 15+. Thief? 1d6. Wizard? 1d4, and only 1 spell/day at lv 1, with whooping 5 spells at level 4. So normal human, in solid shape, with decent mma and hema training, could reasonably be between thief and fighter. As for 5ed. 6-8 encounters are guidelines, but most people i know don't use that. 5 minute work day is real thing. Specially in games that are more focused on storytelling and more character driven. Regular human in 5e would have hard time, but, if they have 2ed aproach, as in tactical, with scouting, planning, using advantage of prepared terrain, setting traps, they could do it. Someone mentioned cr4 dragon. Yeah, that's tough. But not unbeatable. You wouldn't go face to face with it. Weighted nets, scorpions, using cover to shoot and hide, and of course, numbers. why go 4 vs 1? Why not recruit few of more able bodied guards, get some proper military hardware, and do it 10 vs1. In essence, normal humans survive by not being Big Damn Hero, but by using combat tactics and bigger numbers.</blockquote>