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Message: <blockquote data-quote="akbearfoot" data-source="post: 4129083" data-attributes="member: 33560">I wouldn't let anyone make an illusion of...air....Air is not an tangible object in D&D.  How can you create an illusion of something that cannot be seen?  There are spells that change the properties of air (ie temperature or wind speed) but that's not the same thing.  If that is the case, a person could use mirage arcana to make THEMSELVES appear to be air....they would be undetectable by nearly every sensory method in the game which is clearly out of the scope of the spells power.I would also cry foul at the notion that a PC would not somehow notice that they were moving slower than normal or that the weapons they are holding are still somehow impeded, or that their light sources would still be emiting reduced lighting or they still can't put their full weight on the ground or that they can't hear their armor clinking around like normal or any of their allies for that matter.  What if a PC happens to still have plenty of air in his lungs and exhales before breathing again, what about those bubbles  are they invisible too?  Even if the water felt like air, the PC could still -feel- the difference between moving normally and well...not.  How do you adjudicate something like this?  Creatures that are in the water and have no swim speed MUST make a swim check to move anywhere.  So you have to ask the player for a swim check if they continue to try and move.I think it is a very creative idea, and very evil at that.  However to actually try to use a tactic like this on PCs in order to auto-drown them is a very very bad idea.  There are just so many variables and little issues.  Good way to have your players walk out on you IMO.Out of curiosity, what sort of adventuring group is at the level where they can potentially take out a aboleth and yet they don't have access to water breathing effects?</blockquote>

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