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<blockquote data-quote="moritheil" data-source="post: 4129555" data-attributes="member: 30610">You don't have to, if you rule that the spell just shows whatever the victims expect to be normal in the desired terrain type.&nbsp; Your objections are predicated on the limitations of an intermediate mechanism for the spell.&nbsp; But incidentally, what is an air elemental made of, if air is not tangible?&nbsp; It seems to me that's plenty tangible.No, but just because that's not what the spell does.&nbsp; &quot;Scope of Power&quot; arguments are very shaky where higher-level magic is involved.&nbsp; What are you using as a baseline?&nbsp; The common sense of various players often doesn't agree and science utterly fails to provide a good benchmark (0-level spells do the utterly impossible, creating water from nothing . . . )Sorry, but all of your objections are addressed by the fact that the spell is a powerful illusion that will show them whatever they expect for tactile, olfactory, auditory, and visual input.&nbsp; Feeling bubbles, hearing clinking armor . . . even using the landscape as a reference point to check movement speed involves those very senses.Well, that may be so.&nbsp; But that is a separate concern from whether or not it is rules-legal.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="moritheil, post: 4129555, member: 30610"] You don't have to, if you rule that the spell just shows whatever the victims expect to be normal in the desired terrain type. Your objections are predicated on the limitations of an intermediate mechanism for the spell. But incidentally, what is an air elemental made of, if air is not tangible? It seems to me that's plenty tangible. No, but just because that's not what the spell does. "Scope of Power" arguments are very shaky where higher-level magic is involved. What are you using as a baseline? The common sense of various players often doesn't agree and science utterly fails to provide a good benchmark (0-level spells do the utterly impossible, creating water from nothing . . . ) Sorry, but all of your objections are addressed by the fact that the spell is a powerful illusion that will show them whatever they expect for tactile, olfactory, auditory, and visual input. Feeling bubbles, hearing clinking armor . . . even using the landscape as a reference point to check movement speed involves those very senses. Well, that may be so. But that is a separate concern from whether or not it is rules-legal. [/QUOTE]

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