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<blockquote data-quote="moritheil" data-source="post: 4129698" data-attributes="member: 30610">I was talking about illusions in general and the propensity to equate them with real-life tricks based on perception.&nbsp; In the specific case of figments and glamers, you are right that there is no real effect:However, what exactly is meant by &quot;real effect&quot; is up to interpretation.&nbsp; You like to credit the brain with stopping people; I like to state that it is an unspecified magical force.&nbsp; The circumstances and effects are clear, but to state that it must be the brain and thus involuntary movement will get you through it even if you fail your save is not something that metaphysically sits well with me.However, this still does not have much impact on Mirage Arcana, which confounds all the senses that anyone has mentioned so far as being able to give you a clue about the illusion.&nbsp; Gravity is not a sense, and your statements about gravity are still broadly incorrect.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="moritheil, post: 4129698, member: 30610"] I was talking about illusions in general and the propensity to equate them with real-life tricks based on perception. In the specific case of figments and glamers, you are right that there is no real effect: However, what exactly is meant by "real effect" is up to interpretation. You like to credit the brain with stopping people; I like to state that it is an unspecified magical force. The circumstances and effects are clear, but to state that it must be the brain and thus involuntary movement will get you through it even if you fail your save is not something that metaphysically sits well with me. However, this still does not have much impact on Mirage Arcana, which confounds all the senses that anyone has mentioned so far as being able to give you a clue about the illusion. Gravity is not a sense, and your statements about gravity are still broadly incorrect. [/QUOTE]

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