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<blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 5653652" data-attributes="member: 467">What feels more likely at this point is that WotC and D&amp;D are moving the brand away from what we recognize as a traditional, table top pen and paper RPG supported primarily by a shelf full of printed books, and Pathfinder's growth is due in large part to Paizo exploiting that niche as WotC abandons it. This doesn't presage the downfall of D&amp;D or the ascendancy of PAthfinder in a competetive sense; rather, the two brands are splitting off and Pathfinder is &quot;becoming D&amp;D&quot; simply because D&amp;D is becoming something else.As to the issue of brand recognition: &quot;D&amp;D&quot; as an important RPG/geek brand will continue for some time, but the more players move to Pathfinder or (especially) discovering TTRPGs via Pathfinder, the stronger that brand becomes. But, D&amp;D's brand recognition outside of TTRPG gamers is due to media coverage and licensed products/entertainment.&nbsp; Until Pathfinder has a comic book, an animated series, some high-end action figures, a few C/V games and a major media controversy*, it will remain obscure to the general public.That, of course, may be a good thing, as D&amp;D always seemed to thrive in a small company headed by individuals who loved the game, rather than a corporate minded leadership.* We could manufacture one! &quot;Pathfinder Players: Threat or Menace? Film at 11!&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reynard, post: 5653652, member: 467"] What feels more likely at this point is that WotC and D&D are moving the brand away from what we recognize as a traditional, table top pen and paper RPG supported primarily by a shelf full of printed books, and Pathfinder's growth is due in large part to Paizo exploiting that niche as WotC abandons it. This doesn't presage the downfall of D&D or the ascendancy of PAthfinder in a competetive sense; rather, the two brands are splitting off and Pathfinder is "becoming D&D" simply because D&D is becoming something else. As to the issue of brand recognition: "D&D" as an important RPG/geek brand will continue for some time, but the more players move to Pathfinder or (especially) discovering TTRPGs via Pathfinder, the stronger that brand becomes. But, D&D's brand recognition outside of TTRPG gamers is due to media coverage and licensed products/entertainment. Until Pathfinder has a comic book, an animated series, some high-end action figures, a few C/V games and a major media controversy*, it will remain obscure to the general public. That, of course, may be a good thing, as D&D always seemed to thrive in a small company headed by individuals who loved the game, rather than a corporate minded leadership. * We could manufacture one! "Pathfinder Players: Threat or Menace? Film at 11!" [/QUOTE]

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