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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5676845" data-attributes="member: 6957">Not the standard, no. The reason I have brought that many people in has been to go and run games. It is simple, really. I have run games in shops, both book and game, summer programs, birthday parties, and twice at pagan retreats - in spite of not particularly being a pagan.There really are people out there who can be introduced to gaming. I ask you not to take my word for it, but go and do it yourself. Prove me wrong by bringing in more 4e players, I really won't mind. Hell, I'll applaud.*EDIT* It would not surprise me if some of the more successful Encounters groups have introduced a like or greater number of people to the hobby - the big thing is to be out there, in public, running the games. I have less fun running games in stores, but I still do it, exactly for that reason.Also anecdotal evidence - even if I were to believe that you were 100% honest.... <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devil.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":devil:" title="Devil    :devil:" data-shortname=":devil:" />I on the other hand can tell you about two shops that kicked out a local 4e Encounters group - for reasons including making messes and shoplifting.Should I judge 4e by that? That 4e attracts a bunch of spoiled brats and thieves? I don't think so - I think that group had been floating around and had latched on to Encounters like a tick on a dog. They took something that could have brought in new people and turned it into crap. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> Whereas WotC seems to want the removal of the campaign from the game and is running Encounters as a semi-competitive snippet. I would much prefer to see small campaigns, or at least adventures, being run than seeing a single encounter or a pair of unconnected, or loosely connected, encounters.I can tell you which game and company I have had more fun with.... I intend to run The Haunting of Harrowstone on Hallowe'en for a group from the now closing Borders bookstore.The Auld Grump</blockquote>

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