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Could the DnDNext Sorcerer be revived as its own class?
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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 9683566" data-attributes="member: 7635"><p>Absolutely agree. But Im not sold it would be as good a class as it looks on paper. </p><p></p><p>There are three primary modes of class design: martial, caster, and gish. In general terms, most classes pick one mode and that is their loop. A caster or martial can become a gish (valor bard, ek) and a gish stays a gish. This class (which I will shorten to UAS) in theory starts as caster, becomes a gish, and then ends up a martial. That's very hard to balance. And it creates weird incentives. </p><p>Let's say Bobby likes the idea of being a dragon. He likes the dragon powers you get when you're low on spells. To him, burning through your spells first is an impediment to getting dragon scales and breathe weapons. So he quickly runs the first few encounters as nukes until he gets to the level of dragoness he wants, wasting a lot of his spell power just to be a sub-par dragon knight. </p><p>Susie on the other hand plays the UAS like a regular caster. She gets more draconic as the day goes, but right about the time she hits martial and is ready to rock her dragon melee skills, the other casters are tapped out and want to rest. She never gets to use her martial form because the cleric, wizard and warlock want their Union breaks. </p><p>Ultimately, the UAS ends transform ends up with someone favoring one side or the other, and since you can't do both at the same time, you end up ignoring one for the other. The idea would work if the ability to regain magic was part of the systems so that you yoyo between forms (or start at one and move to the one you need) but fact D&D only regains magic on a rest means you always start a caster and "weaken" into a martial. </p><p></p><p>Can something be done with this? I think so. But I think it would be a rather limited gimmick unless the spell system got some adjustments as well. I'd be interested in seeing someone's take on it, but for my money I think I'd prefer a gish class that has access to martial monster powers and spells equally than the UAS's system.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 9683566, member: 7635"] Absolutely agree. But Im not sold it would be as good a class as it looks on paper. There are three primary modes of class design: martial, caster, and gish. In general terms, most classes pick one mode and that is their loop. A caster or martial can become a gish (valor bard, ek) and a gish stays a gish. This class (which I will shorten to UAS) in theory starts as caster, becomes a gish, and then ends up a martial. That's very hard to balance. And it creates weird incentives. Let's say Bobby likes the idea of being a dragon. He likes the dragon powers you get when you're low on spells. To him, burning through your spells first is an impediment to getting dragon scales and breathe weapons. So he quickly runs the first few encounters as nukes until he gets to the level of dragoness he wants, wasting a lot of his spell power just to be a sub-par dragon knight. Susie on the other hand plays the UAS like a regular caster. She gets more draconic as the day goes, but right about the time she hits martial and is ready to rock her dragon melee skills, the other casters are tapped out and want to rest. She never gets to use her martial form because the cleric, wizard and warlock want their Union breaks. Ultimately, the UAS ends transform ends up with someone favoring one side or the other, and since you can't do both at the same time, you end up ignoring one for the other. The idea would work if the ability to regain magic was part of the systems so that you yoyo between forms (or start at one and move to the one you need) but fact D&D only regains magic on a rest means you always start a caster and "weaken" into a martial. Can something be done with this? I think so. But I think it would be a rather limited gimmick unless the spell system got some adjustments as well. I'd be interested in seeing someone's take on it, but for my money I think I'd prefer a gish class that has access to martial monster powers and spells equally than the UAS's system. [/QUOTE]
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