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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9684549" data-attributes="member: 7006">I mean that's what games like Champions and Mutants & Masterminds do.  One mechanical system that you can use to build any character you want and can fluff it any way that you want.  But they also have "classes" to a certain extent, which are just pre-made and pre-bought hero concepts (like the blaster, the armored tech, the detective, the speedster etc.)Well, while I sympathize with you that your players don't go along with your theming... just because you have irritating players doesn't mean everyone else in the world does.  But that complaint has been used as a clarion call since the very beginning of time... a player needing TSR / WotC to write what they want down in the book so that it becomes "real".  And if WotC doesn't do that... then it isn't a "real" thing in the game and thus doesn't count.  You need a frost-themed Hexblade written down in a book so that your players willingly accept that concept as a real thing and treat your character with the respect it deserves.  And I understand that need.  I presume you did a full re-write of the class and subclass you were using that refluffed every feature away from shadow and into frost and then gave that to the DM and the other players (so they all had the same information and naming conventions to use?)But of course even that won't deter some players.  Some players just have this block in their heads that says only what is written in the book by a Wizards of the Coast author counts as true.  And thus trying to run up against that kind of person with refluffed or 3rd party material ain't going to work.  They will never get it or go along with it.  But unfortunately, that doesn't mean we can expect WotC to do our dirty work for us by actually writing what we want and need in their books just to get our fellow players to go along with it.  Because there are just too many millions of players out there who all want and need something different and WotC can't satisfy all of us.  Thus all that remains is for us to use our things the way we want... and to hell with our fellow players who don't also go along with it.</blockquote>

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