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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 3307475" data-attributes="member: 326">Hey crazy_cat! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />When is more complex 'better' though? If the number of 'moving parts' in 3rd Edition is slowing down the creative process and shrinking the time spent actually 'playing' then you have to ask whats going wrong.Are people who already use miniatures (or counters) and battlemats (or dungeon tiles) in their game not playing 'D&D'?But what if they like the taste of Coca-Cola, but don't want the sugar fattening them up?Can people not have the option of a simplified version of the rules, D&D 'Lite' if you will.Has the D&D Boardgame killed D&D...no.Did the Basic game kill it...no.Can a pen & paper version of 4th Edition be a success...no, because there is no great incentive for merely more of the same, but tweaked. How the heck can you sell a 4th Ed. Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting book? The 3rd Edition book is 90% fluff as it is!Therefore either Wizards of the Coast do something different, or they shut up shop. Its as simple as that.</blockquote>