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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BlackMoria" data-source="post: 3307771" data-attributes="member: 424">Upper Krust:  You wanted to know why I support the concept you are putting forward but not call it D&D 4E.  As I stated, the changes (if I understand your concepts) are too large, which makes it a paradigm shift.  This might not be the best illustration but there is a significant difference between American baseball and English cricket, but they both have someone who pitches a ball, someone waving a stick with the purpose of hitting the ball and the concept of running 'bases' or an analog of bases to score.   However, to call cricket some bastardized version of baseball is fighting words to cricket fans and vice versa.  A majority of cricket fans would never watch a baseball game and vice versa for baseball fans.  Why?  While conceptually similar in concept, they are completely different games and it very uncommon to find a fan who likes both.The current edition of D&D and its predecessors were principally pen and paper games with 3e marrying miniatures more closely by supporting them with rules.  You can still play 3.5e without miniatures if one chooses and they are by no means absolutely mandatory.  And previous versions of D&D had players using miniatures, just without more miniature focused rules.Your concept changes D&D from a principally pen and paper game which supports miniature use to a boardgame concept which minimizes pen and paper and makes miniatures absolutely mandatory.  Depending on impedimentation of the concept, even more stark changes in rules are probably necessary.  But here is the rub - its NOT the same game now, just like baseball and cricket are not the same game, despite having a ball, bat, a hitter, and a pitcher(bowler).Changing the paradigm of D&D from its pen and paper roots to a boardgame concept for 4e is tatamount to saying - this season we are playing by American baseball rules but next season, the rules of baseball will be played by English cricket rules.  And that explains why the majority of voters in your poll are dead against it.I like your ideas but called it D&D: The Next Generation or D&D: Gen X or whatever.  Just don't call it 4e because it is now a very different game now.</blockquote>

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