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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cthulhu_duck" data-source="post: 3325003" data-attributes="member: 12809">UK, please don't refer to me as 'mate' when you've already referred to me as an 'elite gamer'.Of the gamers I know, the collectors among them collect both rpg books and miniatures.  The miniature collectors, if we just address that group, collect and PAINT their miniatures for use in tabletop wargaming.Your product won't appeal to them based on previous products (Heroclix, D&D miniatures, etc).  They enjoy the painting as much as any other part of the hobby - and they won't repaint prepainted miniatures - if you think they will, show us the evidence.I think Aaron L hit a problem squarely on the head above - you may not enjoy the bookkeeping and prepwork, but other people do.  In a similar fashion, you may enjoy miniatures and tiles, but other people don't.Some tabletop rpg gamers choose to integrate miniatures into their game - but a lot don't based on my experiences.  A smaller chunk of the miniatures using group use tiles.  A few folk have even found that cards can help with making the existing rules of the game easier to use.D&D allows for integration of miniatures and tiles and cards. - but it doesn't require it.  The option there is the reason why it's successful - since it doesn't force people to use something they don't want to use, or can't afford to it.If I was to compare D&D played with miniatures (DDM, optional), tiles (D&D, optional) and cards (paizo etc, optional) with what you're proposing?I'd keep my existing D&D.  With the miniatures, tiles and cards I already use when necessary, and depending on the group I'm playing with and their personal preferences.</blockquote>

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