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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 3325743" data-attributes="member: 326">Fair enough cthulhu_duck, I apologise to you or anyone who took offense at such comments. Personally I don't see the term as derogatory, but then again I don't see how a 4E can sell well past the core rulebooks, so I guess opinions vary.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!    :o"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" /> ...and I know of gamers who collect and DON'T paint miniatures, so I guess there are all sorts out there.What you could do is use that as an opportunity to release a slightly cheaper set with unpainted minis. Hows that? I quite like the idea.I totally agree with that idea. By the same token have a look around the other 4E thread and see how many people are calling for simplified rules and less book-keeping and prepwork. Its not like I am alone in the matter.Indeed.Thats fair enough. I think had I to do the thread over again I wouldn't have used 4E in the title, because its just got so much baggage and preconceptions amongst people here that you are doomed to failure.Instead I would pitch this as a side product (in the same manner as the current D&D Boardgame - only better marketed), rather than 'THE' D&D.Of course it would be the exact same product, but at least this way it won't make people "sick to their asses". <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Thanks for your time (and patience) all.It'll be very interesting to see how it all pans out over the coming years.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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