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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 3992167" data-attributes="member: 18">Because it's a change of flavour for the entire class if every non-&quot;good pact&quot; Warlock just made a choice to select an &quot;evil pact&quot; or &quot;amoral pact&quot;. If you can't see that, you must be really blinding yourself with your own brilliance. It changes the Warlock class from &quot;I made a pact with a possibly naughty thing in order to gain great power&quot; to &quot;I made a pact with a jolly good chap to gain lovely powers to be used for good, and all those chaps who didn't make good pacts? They're obviously naughty!&quot;. It makes a class which is a little bit interesting and thoughtful into yet another mindless &quot;select the good guy&quot; class.I wouldn't mind a Phoenix or Couatl similar pact if they were neutral and had significant agendas.I just don't want to see an fun and interesting class turned into yet another vehicle for people to indulge their &quot;Oh I'm so good it hurts!&quot; fantasies whilst getting off scott-free on the classes supposed complexity (&quot;Oh it just happens that my good outsider friends has the exact same agenda as me! Why yes, my Warlock death-beam does look awfully like the Care Bear Stare, is that a problem?&quot;), when there are so many classes already eminently suited to that.I should also note that the evident &quot;negative energy&quot; aspects - for example the &quot;weakening effects&quot; you talk about, stink of &quot;non-good&quot; power sources to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 3992167, member: 18"] Because it's a change of flavour for the entire class if every non-"good pact" Warlock just made a choice to select an "evil pact" or "amoral pact". If you can't see that, you must be really blinding yourself with your own brilliance. It changes the Warlock class from "I made a pact with a possibly naughty thing in order to gain great power" to "I made a pact with a jolly good chap to gain lovely powers to be used for good, and all those chaps who didn't make good pacts? They're obviously naughty!". It makes a class which is a little bit interesting and thoughtful into yet another mindless "select the good guy" class. I wouldn't mind a Phoenix or Couatl similar pact if they were neutral and had significant agendas. I just don't want to see an fun and interesting class turned into yet another vehicle for people to indulge their "Oh I'm so good it hurts!" fantasies whilst getting off scott-free on the classes supposed complexity ("Oh it just happens that my good outsider friends has the exact same agenda as me! Why yes, my Warlock death-beam does look awfully like the Care Bear Stare, is that a problem?"), when there are so many classes already eminently suited to that. I should also note that the evident "negative energy" aspects - for example the "weakening effects" you talk about, stink of "non-good" power sources to me. [/QUOTE]

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