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<blockquote data-quote="Echohawk" data-source="post: 5638049" data-attributes="member: 9849"><p>I did indeed count all of the campaign books as non-adventures, because, well, they aren't adventures. And I also agree that Paizo have a great balance between crunch and fluff in their products. But comparisons need to be fair. <em>Orcs of Golarion</em>, to pick a random non-adventure off my shelf, actually contains a fair amount of crunch: a page of racial traits on the inside front cover, another page and a quarter of orc traits later on, two pages tactical feats, and another two pages on orc magic, which is also mostly crunch. WotC's <em>Player's Handbook Races</em> series do have a bit more crunch in them, but not much more.</p><p></p><p>Paizo are clearly limiting the number of "core" rulebooks, but they certainly aren't only focusing only on "adventure products" as was stated. Rather they are focusing on a better balance between crunch and fluff across all of their products, as well as having an excellent line of system-neutral products like the item cards and Flip-Mats. (Aside: Oh how I love my collection of Flip-Mats!)</p><p></p><p>In part, I think this approach is driven by the fact that Pathfinder inherits all of the crunch already out there for 3.5. Given that, focusing on products that don't compete directly with <em>Complete Warrior</em> is a sensible strategy. 4e, by comparison, is starting with a clean slate of crunch, so <em>Martial Power</em> fills a niche not covered by any existing product.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree that it is working. I wish more 4e products had a crunch/fluff balance that was closer to Pathfinder. (And increasingly, that's indeed the case.) But I also think that Paizo's strategy can only delay the need to have some sort of new edition of Pathfinder. Once they have published <em>Gnomes/Elves/Humans/Orc/etc. of Golarion</em> the options for new products start to decrease. I'm not sure the market for <em>Yakmen of Golarion</em> is that large. (Although I admit I'd buy it.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Echohawk, post: 5638049, member: 9849"] I did indeed count all of the campaign books as non-adventures, because, well, they aren't adventures. And I also agree that Paizo have a great balance between crunch and fluff in their products. But comparisons need to be fair. [i]Orcs of Golarion[/i], to pick a random non-adventure off my shelf, actually contains a fair amount of crunch: a page of racial traits on the inside front cover, another page and a quarter of orc traits later on, two pages tactical feats, and another two pages on orc magic, which is also mostly crunch. WotC's [i]Player's Handbook Races[/i] series do have a bit more crunch in them, but not much more. Paizo are clearly limiting the number of "core" rulebooks, but they certainly aren't only focusing only on "adventure products" as was stated. Rather they are focusing on a better balance between crunch and fluff across all of their products, as well as having an excellent line of system-neutral products like the item cards and Flip-Mats. (Aside: Oh how I love my collection of Flip-Mats!) In part, I think this approach is driven by the fact that Pathfinder inherits all of the crunch already out there for 3.5. Given that, focusing on products that don't compete directly with [i]Complete Warrior[/i] is a sensible strategy. 4e, by comparison, is starting with a clean slate of crunch, so [i]Martial Power[/i] fills a niche not covered by any existing product. I agree that it is working. I wish more 4e products had a crunch/fluff balance that was closer to Pathfinder. (And increasingly, that's indeed the case.) But I also think that Paizo's strategy can only delay the need to have some sort of new edition of Pathfinder. Once they have published [i]Gnomes/Elves/Humans/Orc/etc. of Golarion[/i] the options for new products start to decrease. I'm not sure the market for [i]Yakmen of Golarion[/i] is that large. (Although I admit I'd buy it.) [/QUOTE]
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