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Message: <blockquote data-quote="amerigoV" data-source="post: 5644359">I do demand an apology. I paid $30 for a book I get no pleasure in reading, even when I was playing it. Wow, was the PHB a bore. You may as well print out the reams of computer specs for how interesting it was (for me) to read. I was looking for a change and 4e could not close the deal (note it was not just the writing, but I got to admit I got the Savage Worlds book about the same time - one inspired me to keep picking it up....)Presentation is important as that is how information is communicated effectively. I am in a very techincal field so its not like I do not deal with heavy 'crunch' - but taking something technical and making it boring is a sin that should be punished. And my punishment is to give my gaming $1 to them wild and crazy Savage World folks - they cram fun both into the pre-work AND the game itself. So they have managed to do both by my measure of your definition.Maybe they got better, I do not know. I did pick up 4e Dark Sun and was not pleased at the 130 pages of crunch up front. I am sure it "plays better than it reads", but that fact has driven me off from picking up anything else.</blockquote>