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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5649074" data-attributes="member: 48965">I disagree... by this definition realism does in fact constitute simulationism, but I have already quoted passages that make it clear it is not a requirement for simulationist play. I'm sorry but I believe you can in fact simulate S&amp;S and high fantasy stories... and just stating &quot;They aren't simulationist vehicles&quot; when Toon is cited as a simulationist game just doesn't cut it. Give me some reasoning and logic and I'll consider it but pronouncing it so doesn't make it so.&nbsp;Seriously, how is this any different than Toon being considered a simulationist game? Are the physiology, mating habits, etc. of cartoon characters explained in the game?&nbsp; Probably not, just as they aren't important to the genre being simulated. You and Balesir are speaking to realism... not simulationism. You two seem to be saying you can't simulate something unless it's realistic, while I'm claiming you very much can.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 5649074, member: 48965"] I disagree... by this definition realism does in fact constitute simulationism, but I have already quoted passages that make it clear it is not a requirement for simulationist play. I'm sorry but I believe you can in fact simulate S&S and high fantasy stories... and just stating "They aren't simulationist vehicles" when Toon is cited as a simulationist game just doesn't cut it. Give me some reasoning and logic and I'll consider it but pronouncing it so doesn't make it so. Seriously, how is this any different than Toon being considered a simulationist game? Are the physiology, mating habits, etc. of cartoon characters explained in the game? Probably not, just as they aren't important to the genre being simulated. You and Balesir are speaking to realism... not simulationism. You two seem to be saying you can't simulate something unless it's realistic, while I'm claiming you very much can. [/QUOTE]

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