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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5650522" data-attributes="member: 48965">(1) I'm not necessarily stating what the intentions were behind the design of D&D... what I am moreso talking about is the particular playstyle I feel the rules push for. (2) I respect your opinion, but just as pemerton gets a totally different playstyle from his ecxperiences with 4e than I have witnessed in gameday, encounters, Chris Perkins podcasts, etc. I have to disagree with this statement.  I would beg to differ, there are definitley low-level creatures (reavers, bandits, gollum, Orcs, etc.) vs. high-level creatures (Chaos Gods, Bellbane the Mist Giant, Balrog, Nazghul, etc.) in the Elric stories, Fafhrd and The Gray Mouser, LotR, etc....   I disagree here as well. Elric, Corum, Legolas, Conan, Gandalf, Fafhrd, The Gray Mouser, etc. don't die... because they are superior to the average man... just as adventurers are a cut (or more depending on level) above the average man. at a certain point against certain opponents they don't ever suffer wounds in battles... not a single scratch... just like D&D.  We don't know what would happen if Gandalf did this...because he never does, because this genre doesn't support that trope... Just like D&D. The thing is you've created your own basis that is not supported with any evidence for how these worlds should work.  You do realize that most S&S stories never had a consistent world to begin with? How do you reconcile that fact with your need for a consistent world in games that simulate worlds that aren't consistent?  When you examine the Young Kingdoms, The Hyborian Age, John Carter's Mars, etc. they aren't internally-consistent, at least as far as the original pulp stories go. The settings of the original stories have tons of incosistencies throughout them.   I beg to differ. Again taking Elric... as emperor of the Bright Isles he participates in an attack on raiders who planned to attack his homeland (certainly a "lesser" threat) and he kills the ones he fights without suffering a single wound. This is akin to the world that 3e D&D simulates. Higher level adventurers are at a certain point just not threatened by lower level opponents.  You seem to be arguing that it is a bad simulation because it doesn't model your own rules for how these make believe worlds should work. the problem is that your rules go against all the lore and examples (the stories) we have of how things work on these worlds. again you are creating some arbitrary measure of the way things in these worlds should happen, when you have no proof that your ideas of how or why these things work are true.  Well I didnt design D&D so I will hold of making abolute statements about the intentions of those who did. What I will say is that the rules of 3e/3.5/PF seem to simulate the tropes and conceits of S&S fiction and to a lesser extent High Fantasy stories.  And Elric with Stormbringer could as well... and not suffer a single hit... I guess I'm not seeing your point here.</blockquote>

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