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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 5653352" data-attributes="member: 5202">I have hated the whole GSN Theory crap ever since it came out.  It is used largely for cases like what this thread has turned into.  Useless navel-gazing.  I don't' find GSN useful at all.  I don't think of my gaming in terms like Gamist or Simulationist.  It's just crap.  I thought 3.5 was WAY too early and just a cash grab.  I didn't invest very heavily in anything 3.5 onward, I didn't even buy the new PHB.  Instead I gave my money to other like Monte Cook's Arcana Evolved.  I've been playing since Basic (24 years now) and I've played every version of D&D and a bunch of other game systems too.  I could care less if a RPG is claiming to try and simulate whatever, I just care about if my friends and I have fun at the table.  4E has been a lot of fun for me, my experiences during 3E were mostly good (altho making higher level characters was a nuisance), but I had some very bad experiences during 3.5.  When 4E came out, I was glad to se some of the sacred cows made into hamburger.  Traditional Vancian casting was gone, alignments were simplified and had no more mechanical important (unless you were a Divine character, and then it mattered a bit), combat became interesting again.  Friends of mine who previously wouldn't be caught dead playing a Wizard were now quite happy to.  Fighters had something to do that didn't feel like it boiled down to "I swing my sword at it".  Do I think the next version of D&D will make everyone happy?  Please.  This is the same site that has a guy who is best known for pushing OD&D as the One True Version <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Is there math in need of fixing in 4E (among other things)?  Yes.  Is it overall a great game that lets my friends and I have a lot of fun when we get to sit at the table together every 2 weeks?  Yer darn tootin'! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Play what makes you happy, no edition will please everyone and it shouldn't try to.  Pathfinder doesn't please me so I don't play it.  Taking what I disliked about 3.5 and ramping the power level was NOT what I had in mind for a new edition.  3E was a change.  4E was a change.  Change is good.  I played Human Wizards and Halfling Rogues in 2E and 3E.  I'm still playing them in 4E, plus lots of other fun stuff.  I play w/a different DM, but he's still able to tell the stories he wants to tell.  I suppose the GSN crew would label our current campaign Narrativist b/c we kew in advance we were going to play Revenge of the Giants and so everyone in the party could speak Giant and most had some extra benefits against Large or larger creatures.  Like my Halfling Daggermaster Rogue. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Sorry, I read just over 7 pages and couldn't take anymore GSN w/o saying something.</blockquote>

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