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<blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 5657692" data-attributes="member: 4892">Aren't everybody's on the internet? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Each edition can develop a power gap, I never said they couldn't. IME, the gap in all editions except 3E was managable. Even 3E was managable up to a certain point in the expansion line.Because BMX Bandit is completely worthless when he teams with Angel Summoner. An optimized 4E ranger does not outshine a non-optimized 4E warlock to the point of uselessness. He may outshine a purposefully-gimped 4E warlock, but if a player is willing to make choices that actively make his character bad (low prime stats, training in skills that he has low stats in, choosing feats that help him swing a sword better when his only sword attack is a weak basic attack, etc) then I doubt he will care if he's outclassed and if he does care then I'll guide him away from bad choices.In 3E the non-optimizers in our group were not actively trying to make bad characters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vyvyan Basterd, post: 5657692, member: 4892"] Aren't everybody's on the internet? :) Each edition can develop a power gap, I never said they couldn't. IME, the gap in all editions except 3E was managable. Even 3E was managable up to a certain point in the expansion line. Because BMX Bandit is [B]completely[/B] worthless when he teams with Angel Summoner. An optimized 4E ranger does not outshine a non-optimized 4E warlock to the point of uselessness. He may outshine a purposefully-gimped 4E warlock, but if a player is willing to make choices that actively make his character bad (low prime stats, training in skills that he has low stats in, choosing feats that help him swing a sword better when his only sword attack is a weak basic attack, etc) then I doubt he will care if he's outclassed and if he does care then I'll guide him away from bad choices. In 3E the non-optimizers in our group [B]were not actively trying to make bad characters[/B]. [/QUOTE]

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