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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7633748" data-attributes="member: 82504"><p>Could have been either of us not something i would dispute much It's limited in how much Warlord it can be expected to present by being such a heavy striker. (Wasnt it you I recall who designed on a real class that might work?). The ranger in 4e could leverage feats to allow sacrificing its striker class feature to shore up partially other role support. The BO9S classes had one School which did Warlord type things too. I think the Battlemaster name actually implies the Warlord element well. If their was more follow through on (sacrificing the BM extra attacks selectively for more frequent maneuvers) that would be more follow through and having Adroit/Skillful Superiority Feat might be just the thing to do that. I think the Battlemaster also needs a set of Intellect based maneuvers so you can pick your flavor of Warlord. AND it needs a Fighting style that says Warlord. I am actually one of those who likes and thinks the Battlemaster could be a foundation for other 4e cool stuff but I think it lacked follow through is all.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think the Protector Fighting style is very lacking trading off the foundation of opportunity attacks to maybe kind of defend an attack that you are far from certain is going to hit anyway and make your sentinel feat useless in the proces. I have seen what looked to be a good solution which allowed you to induce a reroll if they were going to hit far less waste if you decide to do and a better choice. Ie your martial acumen let you tell how dangerous this attack really was, allowing you to kick in and interfere when it is really needed. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Certainly something they realized was needed because of 4e.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Is the short rest being 5 minutes an optional rule actually mentioned? And the adjustments the DM may need to make to support it? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>5e has rescaled 4e mechanics / numbers all over the place but mostly in a consistent way (each level approximately== 2 4e levels adventurer in 4e start at level 5 in 5e land).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 7633748, member: 82504"] Could have been either of us not something i would dispute much It's limited in how much Warlord it can be expected to present by being such a heavy striker. (Wasnt it you I recall who designed on a real class that might work?). The ranger in 4e could leverage feats to allow sacrificing its striker class feature to shore up partially other role support. The BO9S classes had one School which did Warlord type things too. I think the Battlemaster name actually implies the Warlord element well. If their was more follow through on (sacrificing the BM extra attacks selectively for more frequent maneuvers) that would be more follow through and having Adroit/Skillful Superiority Feat might be just the thing to do that. I think the Battlemaster also needs a set of Intellect based maneuvers so you can pick your flavor of Warlord. AND it needs a Fighting style that says Warlord. I am actually one of those who likes and thinks the Battlemaster could be a foundation for other 4e cool stuff but I think it lacked follow through is all. I think the Protector Fighting style is very lacking trading off the foundation of opportunity attacks to maybe kind of defend an attack that you are far from certain is going to hit anyway and make your sentinel feat useless in the proces. I have seen what looked to be a good solution which allowed you to induce a reroll if they were going to hit far less waste if you decide to do and a better choice. Ie your martial acumen let you tell how dangerous this attack really was, allowing you to kick in and interfere when it is really needed. Certainly something they realized was needed because of 4e. Is the short rest being 5 minutes an optional rule actually mentioned? And the adjustments the DM may need to make to support it? 5e has rescaled 4e mechanics / numbers all over the place but mostly in a consistent way (each level approximately== 2 4e levels adventurer in 4e start at level 5 in 5e land). [/QUOTE]
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