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<blockquote data-quote="reichtfeld" data-source="post: 781523" data-attributes="member: 10264"><p>With Reactive Counterspell you can actually counterspell even if you've already taken an action in the current round. It is just counted as your action for the next round in the initiative order. </p><p></p><p>Round 1</p><p>Initiative 18: Bob the evoker casts fireball and it is not dispelled</p><p>Initiative 15: Joe the transmuter casts polymorph other, which Bob counterspells using dispel magic</p><p></p><p>Round 2</p><p>Initiative 18: Bob can take a move-equivalent action (which might include a quickened spell), but his standard action was used to counterspell Joe's polymorph in the previous round</p><p>Initiative 15: Joe casts a quadruple empowered magic missile, but Bob has the Improved Counterspell feat and sacrifices a 2nd level evocation to counterspell (2nd level being one higher than 1st level, which is what level magic missile is--metamagic level increases are ignored)</p><p></p><p>Bob's already acted in the turn, but Bob can counterspell Joe's polymorph other spell as it's being cast on initiative 15 if he has an appropriate spell prepared to do so. The counterspell will just count against his action in the next round. This is explained in the Forgotten Realms FAQ and should make Wraith's player very happy to know. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>So far as counterspelling spell-like abilities, the core rulebooks say no. I know that counts for trying to counterspell using the same or opposite spell, but I am not sure if that also includes using dispel magic or greater dispelling. Since spell-like abilities with a duration are vulnerable to being dispelled and cannot operate in anti-magic, I'm liable to believe that you can counter them with a dispel as they are being used. But that's just how I read and interpret it. I'd love to read something definitive about that. I guess a true rules lawyer could take "spell-like abilities cannot be counterspelled or used as counterspells" at total face value without any consideration for using dispels.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="reichtfeld, post: 781523, member: 10264"] With Reactive Counterspell you can actually counterspell even if you've already taken an action in the current round. It is just counted as your action for the next round in the initiative order. Round 1 Initiative 18: Bob the evoker casts fireball and it is not dispelled Initiative 15: Joe the transmuter casts polymorph other, which Bob counterspells using dispel magic Round 2 Initiative 18: Bob can take a move-equivalent action (which might include a quickened spell), but his standard action was used to counterspell Joe's polymorph in the previous round Initiative 15: Joe casts a quadruple empowered magic missile, but Bob has the Improved Counterspell feat and sacrifices a 2nd level evocation to counterspell (2nd level being one higher than 1st level, which is what level magic missile is--metamagic level increases are ignored) Bob's already acted in the turn, but Bob can counterspell Joe's polymorph other spell as it's being cast on initiative 15 if he has an appropriate spell prepared to do so. The counterspell will just count against his action in the next round. This is explained in the Forgotten Realms FAQ and should make Wraith's player very happy to know. :) So far as counterspelling spell-like abilities, the core rulebooks say no. I know that counts for trying to counterspell using the same or opposite spell, but I am not sure if that also includes using dispel magic or greater dispelling. Since spell-like abilities with a duration are vulnerable to being dispelled and cannot operate in anti-magic, I'm liable to believe that you can counter them with a dispel as they are being used. But that's just how I read and interpret it. I'd love to read something definitive about that. I guess a true rules lawyer could take "spell-like abilities cannot be counterspelled or used as counterspells" at total face value without any consideration for using dispels. [/QUOTE]
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