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<blockquote data-quote="HeapThaumaturgist" data-source="post: 3745243" data-attributes="member: 12332">I think the dragon fight had another If/Then type immediate counterattack.&nbsp; It could be several different things.1)&nbsp; A class ability that sets up some sort of If (The foe misses you with a ranged attack), Then (you can shoot back).&nbsp; Just for the Ranger.2)&nbsp; A general rule ability that sets up some sort of counterattack.&nbsp; Probably not on a general miss, but you might be able to overextend yourself.&nbsp; I.E. you can attempt a special maneuver, but if the maneuver fails you provoke an immediate counterattack.&nbsp; This would replace AoOs, perhaps.&nbsp; 3)&nbsp; Some aspect of a maneuver the goblin attempted, whereby if he misses he provokes a counterattack.&nbsp; Similar to 2, but possibly a per-case basis on feats or talents.&nbsp; (I.E. instead of &quot;If you attack in the surprise round but miss, the foe can counterattack&quot; but &quot;If you use Rapid Shot and miss, the foe can counterattack&quot;.)Hard to tell.I think it makes sense, as far as AoOs have ever made sense, and it makes sense to extend them to ranged attacks.&nbsp; If you open yourself up to an attack, why can't the guy with the bow take advantage of that?&nbsp; --fje</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HeapThaumaturgist, post: 3745243, member: 12332"] I think the dragon fight had another If/Then type immediate counterattack. It could be several different things. 1) A class ability that sets up some sort of If (The foe misses you with a ranged attack), Then (you can shoot back). Just for the Ranger. 2) A general rule ability that sets up some sort of counterattack. Probably not on a general miss, but you might be able to overextend yourself. I.E. you can attempt a special maneuver, but if the maneuver fails you provoke an immediate counterattack. This would replace AoOs, perhaps. 3) Some aspect of a maneuver the goblin attempted, whereby if he misses he provokes a counterattack. Similar to 2, but possibly a per-case basis on feats or talents. (I.E. instead of "If you attack in the surprise round but miss, the foe can counterattack" but "If you use Rapid Shot and miss, the foe can counterattack".) Hard to tell. I think it makes sense, as far as AoOs have ever made sense, and it makes sense to extend them to ranged attacks. If you open yourself up to an attack, why can't the guy with the bow take advantage of that? --fje [/QUOTE]

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