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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Sigil" data-source="post: 1804838" data-attributes="member: 2013">Um, your post isn't exactly clear... are you the DM trying to stop this party or are you starting an intra-party war?If you're the DM, my first suggestion is to get a "sunder-specialized" uber-fighter-type minion with an artifact level weapon.  His job?  Sunder the sword of destiny and the mace of Ruin.  That should significantly slow down their wielders.As for Fistan, you want to hit him with "no save allowed" spells - ESPECIALLY Otto's Irresistable Dance... which you might follow up with Reflex save spells (since he'll have a -10 penalty to Ref saves at that point)... if you can surround him with a bunch of critters that can take the AoOs on him every round that his dancing provokes, that would be icing on the cake.  Enervation is a lower-level, but just as nasty, possibility, since it also gives no save and it states in the spell description "negative levels stack" so you can keep draining him with multiple castings.  And since each negative level gives a -1 to saves and forces him to lose a high-level spell slot, this can whittle him down to size quickly.  Maximized, Empowered Enervations can be particularly nasty (6 negative levels but uses a 9th-level slot).  If you can pull it off (I don't know if your DM lets a sorcerer use Quickened spells as free actions), a Quickened Enervation each round in addition to your other spells ain't bad, either.Ideally, you apply an Extended "Dance" (9th level spell slot, will keep him busy for 4-10 rounds) then hit him with Maximized and/or Empowered Enervations while he's busy dancing.  Then when "Dance" wears off, get him to dance again, wash, rinse, repeat.  If you're lucky enough to hit him (should be easy with touch attacks - and assuming can keep the rest of the party busy), and have the spell slots to do it, an "Extended Dance" will give you at least 4 rounds of draining... with Maximized, Empowered Enervations, you can inflict 24 negative levels on him in that time, so assuming you can hit him with the Extended Dance (and it should be easier to hit him with the Enervations afterwards) and can keep his compatriots at bay for four rounds, he's basically toast.  Yes, that's 5 9th-level spell slots, but you don't have to deal with any of his strengths, and the chances of him stopping the combo once he's dancing are essentially nil.If you have a lich "Tag-teaming" on him using the same tactics, 3 rounds till he's dead, with no chance of fighting back.And if you're worried about hitting him, just bust out a "True Strike" - the +20 to your next attack should be plenty to start the process.Nasty, but brutally effective. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Off the top of my head, that's my recommendation.</blockquote>

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