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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7881504" data-attributes="member: 6801845"><p>No, I disagree. There's a difference. I think it would be simple to construct having build similar things myself. Repeating that it would not work doesn't make it so and is also not relevant. It will always be a DMs call as to whether something like that is reasonable. I think it is.</p><p></p><p>I have no idea what you're envisioning that it would not be possible. I've given examples of what I was talking about. I talked about a real life corollary. All you do is say "that can't possibly work!" with no reason. Do they not have tools? They don't need much. Something to chop wood, some rope. The wood doesn't need to be that thick, wooden shields were half an inch thick or less. The wood just needs to be tight enough to stop an arrow from going through.</p><p></p><p>They had a couple dozen hobgoblins and plenty of time and raw materials. What about weight? Let's say you wanted to have a big "wall". Is 8 ft wide enough? Maybe 6 ft tall? Okay. So ... wood. Let's base this on 2x4s and a bit of googling and a 2x4 that's 8 ft long weighs 13 pounds. The saplings would likely weigh considerably less, but we'll go with that. Take a foot or so of length off (it doesn't need to be 8 ft tall) but assume that extra is going to be used from cross-bracing and some quick math we come up with 312 pounds. Even round it up to 350 pounds and for a short distance they should be able okay. You have several of them supporting it and these were elite troops (and no I didn't mention that before, along with what color their uniforms were).</p><p></p><p>So how many hobgoblins can fit? Well, they won't be fighting, they just need enough room to move. If a fight starts the temporary wall becomes irrelevant anyway. So 4 abreast with squeezing? Maybe 3-4 deep ... say between 12 and 16 hobgoblins. A couple are supporting the wall, the others are just packed in like sardines doing the shuffle.</p><p></p><p>I don't remember exactly how many I had, it was probably 8-10. So what, exactly was so impossible about any of this? I didn't do any googling or calculations, just kind of winged it. But based on my quick calculations just now it seems to be in the ballpark for possible.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So they need 3 gallons. They also don't need to cover the entire dome, just a section they will use to approach. Exactly what they're doing depends on the situation and what other materials and plans they had prepped for this or similar scenarios.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7881504, member: 6801845"] No, I disagree. There's a difference. I think it would be simple to construct having build similar things myself. Repeating that it would not work doesn't make it so and is also not relevant. It will always be a DMs call as to whether something like that is reasonable. I think it is. I have no idea what you're envisioning that it would not be possible. I've given examples of what I was talking about. I talked about a real life corollary. All you do is say "that can't possibly work!" with no reason. Do they not have tools? They don't need much. Something to chop wood, some rope. The wood doesn't need to be that thick, wooden shields were half an inch thick or less. The wood just needs to be tight enough to stop an arrow from going through. They had a couple dozen hobgoblins and plenty of time and raw materials. What about weight? Let's say you wanted to have a big "wall". Is 8 ft wide enough? Maybe 6 ft tall? Okay. So ... wood. Let's base this on 2x4s and a bit of googling and a 2x4 that's 8 ft long weighs 13 pounds. The saplings would likely weigh considerably less, but we'll go with that. Take a foot or so of length off (it doesn't need to be 8 ft tall) but assume that extra is going to be used from cross-bracing and some quick math we come up with 312 pounds. Even round it up to 350 pounds and for a short distance they should be able okay. You have several of them supporting it and these were elite troops (and no I didn't mention that before, along with what color their uniforms were). So how many hobgoblins can fit? Well, they won't be fighting, they just need enough room to move. If a fight starts the temporary wall becomes irrelevant anyway. So 4 abreast with squeezing? Maybe 3-4 deep ... say between 12 and 16 hobgoblins. A couple are supporting the wall, the others are just packed in like sardines doing the shuffle. I don't remember exactly how many I had, it was probably 8-10. So what, exactly was so impossible about any of this? I didn't do any googling or calculations, just kind of winged it. But based on my quick calculations just now it seems to be in the ballpark for possible. So they need 3 gallons. They also don't need to cover the entire dome, just a section they will use to approach. Exactly what they're doing depends on the situation and what other materials and plans they had prepped for this or similar scenarios. [/QUOTE]
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