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<blockquote data-quote="Paraxis" data-source="post: 6517985" data-attributes="member: 13009">Using Wizard as example but it is the same with all the classes, just replace Int with the appropriate ability score.SPELLCASTING&nbsp;&nbsp; ABILITYIntelligence is your spellcasting ability for your wizard spells,&nbsp; since you learn your spells through dedicated study and memorization.&nbsp;&nbsp; You use your Intelligence whenever&nbsp; a spell refers&nbsp; to your spellcasting&nbsp; ability.In addition,&nbsp; you use your Intelligence modifier when setting the saving throw DC for a wizard spell you cast and when&nbsp; making&nbsp; an attack&nbsp; roll with one.Spell save DC = 8 + your proficiency bonus&nbsp; + your&nbsp; Intelligence modifierSpell attack&nbsp; modifier&nbsp; = your proficiency bonus&nbsp; + your Intelligence modifierPretty clear that your spellcasting ability is just your ability modifier, and you only add your proficiency bonus to it in the case of setting your spell save DC's and when you make a spell attack.&nbsp; Counterspelling and Dispel checks only use the modifier and not your proficiency bonus.That is a 10-30% extra chance to counter the spells so seems like a big deal to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Paraxis, post: 6517985, member: 13009"] Using Wizard as example but it is the same with all the classes, just replace Int with the appropriate ability score. [B]SPELLCASTING ABILITY[/B] [I]Intelligence is your spellcasting ability for your wizard spells, since you learn your spells through dedicated study and memorization. You use your Intelligence whenever a spell refers to your spellcasting ability. In addition, you use your Intelligence modifier when setting the saving throw DC for a wizard spell you cast and when making an attack roll with one. Spell save DC = 8 + your proficiency bonus + your Intelligence modifier Spell attack modifier = your proficiency bonus + your Intelligence modifier[/I] Pretty clear that your spellcasting ability is just your ability modifier, and you only add your proficiency bonus to it in the case of setting your spell save DC's and when you make a spell attack. Counterspelling and Dispel checks only use the modifier and not your proficiency bonus. That is a 10-30% extra chance to counter the spells so seems like a big deal to me. [/QUOTE]

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