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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Satyrn" data-source="post: 7239008" data-attributes="member: 6801204">It would be too high for me. I'd go with 10+level.But it totally depends on if it works often enough for your table's preference. So I recommended starting out with whatever number you'd guess works for you, then introduce it to your players with the disclaimer that "this DC might be adjusted once or twice in the future as we figure out the sweet spot." And try to give them just as much power in settling on the DC - make it a group decision or at least be guided by their feedback.As for this: You can perhaps limiting this by making it use a reaction - though a reaction that would also allow the counterspell to stillbe cast.</blockquote>