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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pming" data-source="post: 8414692" data-attributes="member: 45197">Hiya!This is where we are butting heads. I don't believe I've changed any of the "rules of the game". I'm simply interpreting "spells" and "magic" differently than you are.Again...we just are interpreting what is written differently. I already pointed out that under "What is a Spell?" in the PHB pg 201, the first sentence supports my interpretation. Just because Spells in the PHB have levels doesn't mean that is the "only interpretation of what a spell is".Causing a magical effect is a "spell"...it just hasn't been assigned any sort of 'level' specifically. The magical effects caused by the Beholders eyestalks are magical. That's why I classify them as "spells" that can be messed with during and/or after their use.I'm not exactly sure where/what you are referring to. If MM pg10, under "Special Traits", it simply defines "Innate Spellcasting" and "Spellcasting".Looking at Beholder, under it's Actions..."Eye Rays: The beholder shoots three of following magical eye rays..."So...magic. Magic as defined in the PHB page 201. Meaning that my interpretation does stand up. As I said...I  think this is simply a matter of you thinking "naaa..." and me thinking "yaaaa....". <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />This is not a 'house rule'. That term is also used as a container for meaning "something in the game that we created our selves or we interpret differently than others". I'm simply interpreting some stuff differently than you. Doesn't make me, or you, any more "right" in the grand scheme of things.A house rule would be "Casting Dispel Magic on a creature will temporarily nullify any and all of it's non-mundane abilities". That would be a house rule.Care to elaborate? I can't think of any, but you did...so maybe this can help us understand each other's stance a bit more?Huh. You are correct, from what I read. The reason I agree is that is specifically is giving a Level. And, as we all know, "specific trumps general". I guess my "old grognard" ways kicked in and made the assumption DisMag would be handled 'the same' as in older editions. A lot of the times in old games or modules a monsters abilities or some areas magical effect would have a notation of "...as if a 4th level spell cast at 10th level" or something (for those not in the know, in older editions the success of a Dispel Magic, or Antimagic area, etc...wasn't a single flat number; it  was a base chance then modified by the difference between the caster and the target).Thanks for pointing it out! I'll have to keep that in mind if I ever see a PC get high enough level to cast Dispel Magic I guess! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Again, I think we are just interpreting differently. Counterspell makes no mention of VSM...only stating "casting a spell". Because it's using the term "spell" we are having our difference of opinion. I see "spell" as a catchall for "something magical", not ONLY the spells listed as Spells under Divine or Arcane Spells...because of PHB pg201 ("What is a Spell?").By your logic, any spell would also be impossible to Counterspell because you use a Reaction to cast it...to someone "casting a spell". They've already cast it and taken their Action. I guess the only way to do it is if the person uses a Ready action to "use Counterspell if someone tries to cast a spell". Which is fine...but then why is the spell using Reaction and not Action? A Reaction is something you do after something has happened; like, someone 'has cast a spell'. Same with the spell Shield. And we all know THAT bugaboo! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />So, again, my interpretation is simple: "A magical effect is being created...you can Counterspell it". Once it is created...then you need Dispel Magic (which I may have to ACTUALLY house rule out of 'specific' and back into 'general'; I like the idea of being able to Dispel a magical effect that wasn't "created by an actual spellcaster/wizard/cleric/etc"...but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it).Bottom line: We're just arguing about how we interpret what is written in the rules. Either way is fine with me, I just prefer my interpretation. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />^_^Paul L. Ming</blockquote>

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