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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8415125" data-attributes="member: 23751">This is a nice False Equivalence as well.&nbsp; In one case you have a knight doing something that has nothing to do with an attack and has no effect on mechanics whatsoever, and on the other side you have a situation where you are setting up mechanics to allow Counterspell. They are not the same.&nbsp; One is fluff(knight example) and the other is adding to the eye ray rules to change Beholder eye rays in order to allow Counterspell to work.Edit: and the Xanathar's has nothing to do with what I have been saying.&nbsp; This is from the Sage Advice.&quot;If a sorcerer casts a spell with only verbal or somatic components using Subtle Spell, can an opponent use counterspell against it? If a spell that’s altered by Subtle Spell has no material component, then it’s impossible for anyone to perceive the spell being cast. So, since you can’t see the casting, counterspell is of no use.&quot;So you can see from PHB only, if you can't see components being used, it's not perceivable.&nbsp; You are adding flashes of light and such that don't exist.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8415125, member: 23751"] This is a nice False Equivalence as well. In one case you have a knight doing something that has nothing to do with an attack and has no effect on mechanics whatsoever, and on the other side you have a situation where you are setting up mechanics to allow Counterspell. They are not the same. One is fluff(knight example) and the other is adding to the eye ray rules to change Beholder eye rays in order to allow Counterspell to work. Edit: and the Xanathar's has nothing to do with what I have been saying. This is from the Sage Advice. "If a sorcerer casts a spell with only verbal or somatic components using Subtle Spell, can an opponent use counterspell against it? If a spell that’s altered by Subtle Spell has no material component, then it’s impossible for anyone to perceive the spell being cast. So, since you can’t see the casting, counterspell is of no use." So you can see from PHB only, if you can't see components being used, it's not perceivable. You are adding flashes of light and such that don't exist. [/QUOTE]

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