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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8415835" data-attributes="member: 23751">Usually, as in &quot;It sees you unless something special happens to keep it from being seen.&quot;There is no &quot;probably&quot; if you are not trying to be stealthy. It's absolute. If you are not being stealthy, you will not achieve surprise.&quot;If neither side tries to be stealthy, they automatically notice each other.&nbsp; Otherwise, the DM compares the Dexterity (Stealth) checks of anyone hiding with the passive Wisdom (Perception) score of each creature on the opposing side.&quot;As you can see, it's automatic if nobody is being stealth and possible if one or both sides are being stealthy.&nbsp; Right, because strong movements, chanting, not whispering, chanting and waving around components that they pulled out of a pouch aren't going to be noticed by people on high alert. You do you, but I'm not going to assume incompetence on the part of the PCs.I already went over this the last time you brought it up.&nbsp; Repeating it won't do anything.&nbsp; I do keep wondering, though, why you are bringing up 100 feet away.&nbsp; Counterspell has a range of 60 feet.&nbsp; None of the rest is any different than someone who is hiding and comes out of hiding before attacking.&nbsp; Uh uh.&nbsp; You don't get to accuse me of making stuff up and then make stuff up.&nbsp; There's nothing in RAW that says it's for quiet environments.&nbsp; opposing sideOther than it uses the word chanting.&nbsp; Chanting is not quiet.Because LARPs and LARPers are good representatives of a realistic combat involving PCs that are better than military special forces and olympic athletes. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8415835, member: 23751"] Usually, as in "It sees you unless something special happens to keep it from being seen." There is no "probably" if you are not trying to be stealthy. It's absolute. If you are not being stealthy, you will not achieve surprise. "If neither side tries to be stealthy, they [B]automatically[/B] notice each other. Otherwise, the DM compares the Dexterity (Stealth) checks of anyone hiding with the passive Wisdom (Perception) score of each creature on the opposing side." As you can see, it's automatic if nobody is being stealth and possible if one or both sides are being stealthy. Right, because strong movements, chanting, not whispering, chanting and waving around components that they pulled out of a pouch aren't going to be noticed by people on high alert. You do you, but I'm not going to assume incompetence on the part of the PCs. I already went over this the last time you brought it up. Repeating it won't do anything. I do keep wondering, though, why you are bringing up 100 feet away. Counterspell has a range of 60 feet. None of the rest is any different than someone who is hiding and comes out of hiding before attacking. Uh uh. You don't get to accuse me of making stuff up and then make stuff up. There's nothing in RAW that says it's for quiet environments. opposing side Other than it uses the word chanting. Chanting is not quiet. Because LARPs and LARPers are good representatives of a realistic combat involving PCs that are better than military special forces and olympic athletes. ;) [/QUOTE]

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