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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8415912" data-attributes="member: 7032025">No, sorry, there is a difference between what you are saying above and pretending like you did before that something special needs to happen to prevent the noticing.Actually, it certainly was not one. Just being a bit far is not &quot;something special that needs to happen&quot;.And again, noticing the other side does not mean seeing him, or hearing him, and certainly not noticing spellcasting on his part. You are inferring way too much from two simple sentences of the rules on completely different topics, as well as forgetting that creatures might be naturally stealthy without specifically trying to be. The RAW is fuzzy on purpose, and your specifically gamist interpretations that attempt to normalise situations are not supported by the text, that's all. It does not make them invalid for your table, but other interpretations are just as vaild.No, the problem is that you are completely inventing your view of what the RAW should have been. But, fortunately, this discussion shows that you don't have anything to stand on.Who said it was ? The only thing I'm saying is that you are trying to say that the rules say that anything not quiet will always been noted by everyone in combat. The rules say NOTHING of the kind, and I'm not the only one here telling you that your very gamist way of thinking is not the only way to play which is 100% in line with the rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8415912, member: 7032025"] No, sorry, there is a difference between what you are saying above and pretending like you did before that something special needs to happen to prevent the noticing. Actually, it certainly was not one. Just being a bit far is not "something special that needs to happen". And again, noticing the other side does not mean seeing him, or hearing him, and certainly not noticing spellcasting on his part. You are inferring way too much from two simple sentences of the rules on completely different topics, as well as forgetting that creatures might be naturally stealthy without specifically trying to be. The RAW is fuzzy on purpose, and your specifically gamist interpretations that attempt to normalise situations are not supported by the text, that's all. It does not make them invalid for your table, but other interpretations are just as vaild. No, the problem is that you are completely inventing your view of what the RAW should have been. But, fortunately, this discussion shows that you don't have anything to stand on. Who said it was ? The only thing I'm saying is that you are trying to say that the rules say that anything not quiet will always been noted by everyone in combat. The rules say NOTHING of the kind, and I'm not the only one here telling you that your very gamist way of thinking is not the only way to play which is 100% in line with the rules. [/QUOTE]

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