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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 8417260" data-attributes="member: 762">Yes, that's called building a strawman, I chose to ignore it.But that's not what it says. It says the target is visible to you, you know just as if you'd neutralized the invisible condition.Natural language has pitfalls but I prefer not to twist it into a pretzel.Edit: Look, I GET what you are saying - That the invisible condition has specifics and that see invisibility doesn't counter the advantage because it doesn't say it counters that part. By a strict reading? sure you can get there. BUT, I'm saying that to read the see invisibility spell is just a step too far off of the common sense road (and sure common sense doesn't always factor in, but here? Sorry but see invisibility should do what it says).</blockquote>