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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8417519" data-attributes="member: 7032025">Seeing that a large number of them affect other monsters, and a significant number of others are corner cases or abilities of a few out of about 100 archetypes, the overall number is again not significant.No, a number of them were not indicated by you as being corner cases, but I think not many people will agree that something affecting the capstone of a subclass against certain types of foes who don't even usually have spellcasting in their traits is anything else than a rare corner case.No, you are always counting the same ones. Even dispel magic is not affected, since all the affected spells for now are instantaneous damaging spells which would not even be affected by dispel magic.So your list is still down to one, counterspell. Which, again, is hardly significant considering that the changes so far affect only 1-2 spells of casters, which are rare encounters anyway since most adversaries both in Monster Manual and in published adventures.Minor, at best.Singular, please, only for one subclass and only against certain types of foe at level 20. Yes, really a game changer that one. And the cleansing touch does not even apply, see dispel magic above.No, they don't. Once more, please use some real stats from actual modules, not your personal views as to what should happen in modules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8417519, member: 7032025"] Seeing that a large number of them affect other monsters, and a significant number of others are corner cases or abilities of a few out of about 100 archetypes, the overall number is again not significant. No, a number of them were not indicated by you as being corner cases, but I think not many people will agree that something affecting the capstone of a subclass against certain types of foes who don't even usually have spellcasting in their traits is anything else than a rare corner case. No, you are always counting the same ones. Even dispel magic is not affected, since all the affected spells for now are instantaneous damaging spells which would not even be affected by dispel magic. So your list is still down to one, counterspell. Which, again, is hardly significant considering that the changes so far affect only 1-2 spells of casters, which are rare encounters anyway since most adversaries both in Monster Manual and in published adventures. Minor, at best. Singular, please, only for one subclass and only against certain types of foe at level 20. Yes, really a game changer that one. And the cleansing touch does not even apply, see dispel magic above. No, they don't. Once more, please use some real stats from actual modules, not your personal views as to what should happen in modules. [/QUOTE]

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