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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6683098" data-attributes="member: 2011">This still has the potential for an &quot;I win&quot; button.Player: &quot;Chain Lightning. I put Counterspell into a 6th level slot. I win (shy of a counterspell of my counterspell).&quot;I prefer that the player take a chance. Or possibly an Arcana roll to determine spell level.Counterspell is fairly overpowered as is since NPCs often only have a single copy of a given spell.In 3E, the spell caster had to have the identical spell prepared in order to counterspell a given spell. It was quite a bit more difficult because even though counterspelling automatically worked, the caster trying to counterspell still had to Ready an action and make a spellcraft check to figure out which spell was being cast. So if he failed the check or did not have the properly prepared spell, his readied action was wasted.Alternatively, he could use Dispel Magic, but that was similar to 5E Counterspell except that it was never automatic. 5E Counterspell has more utility than 3E Dispel Magic since the caster might be able to put it into a spell slot that results in an automatic counter. Granted, it does require an extra prep slot if still preparing Dispel Magic.Btw, the counterspell of my counterspell concept is not guaranteed either. The first caster should not know which level slot the caster counterspelling his spell is using. He knows that it is a minimum of 3rd level, but that's all he knows. So, his counterspell may or may not be successful.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6683098, member: 2011"] This still has the potential for an "I win" button. Player: "Chain Lightning. I put Counterspell into a 6th level slot. I win (shy of a counterspell of my counterspell)." I prefer that the player take a chance. Or possibly an Arcana roll to determine spell level. Counterspell is fairly overpowered as is since NPCs often only have a single copy of a given spell. In 3E, the spell caster had to have the identical spell prepared in order to counterspell a given spell. It was quite a bit more difficult because even though counterspelling automatically worked, the caster trying to counterspell still had to Ready an action and make a spellcraft check to figure out which spell was being cast. So if he failed the check or did not have the properly prepared spell, his readied action was wasted. Alternatively, he could use Dispel Magic, but that was similar to 5E Counterspell except that it was never automatic. 5E Counterspell has more utility than 3E Dispel Magic since the caster might be able to put it into a spell slot that results in an automatic counter. Granted, it does require an extra prep slot if still preparing Dispel Magic. Btw, the counterspell of my counterspell concept is not guaranteed either. The first caster should not know which level slot the caster counterspelling his spell is using. He knows that it is a minimum of 3rd level, but that's all he knows. So, his counterspell may or may not be successful. [/QUOTE]

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