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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4550723" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>But if you read 268 by itself, and assume that it means when a ranged attack roll is made, and further assume that 271 and 290 are incorrect, then any ranged or area power which does not involve an attack roll will not provoke an OA either.</p><p></p><p>I can't really accept that 271 and 290 are wrong. The definition of 'area attack', on the other hand, means that 'make an area attack' can be synonymous with 'use an area power' - since any power with the Area keyword is an 'area attack', even if it isn't an attack power - so I can see 268 as saying the same thing as 271 and 290, which doesn't require us to declare errors in text.</p><p></p><p>The other way to read it is that 268 tells us that an ranged attack roll provokes an OA, and 271 and 290 further tell us that using a ranged power provokes an OA... so Nimble Strike can provoke both when the power is initiated, and also when the ranged attack roll is made.</p><p></p><p>But unless we're deciding to discard p271 and p290, I can't see a valid reading that <em>doesn't</em> have Nimble Strike provoking when you initiate the power. And if we're discarding rules, we can make anything say whatever we like.</p><p></p><p>(Or, to phrase it another way - p271 and p290 use completely unambiguous phrasing, while 268 uses the unfortunate word choice of 'attack', which has at least four different uses in 4E. So while there's ambiguity as to what 268 is saying, 271 and 290 clear up the confusion.)</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 4550723, member: 1656"] But if you read 268 by itself, and assume that it means when a ranged attack roll is made, and further assume that 271 and 290 are incorrect, then any ranged or area power which does not involve an attack roll will not provoke an OA either. I can't really accept that 271 and 290 are wrong. The definition of 'area attack', on the other hand, means that 'make an area attack' can be synonymous with 'use an area power' - since any power with the Area keyword is an 'area attack', even if it isn't an attack power - so I can see 268 as saying the same thing as 271 and 290, which doesn't require us to declare errors in text. The other way to read it is that 268 tells us that an ranged attack roll provokes an OA, and 271 and 290 further tell us that using a ranged power provokes an OA... so Nimble Strike can provoke both when the power is initiated, and also when the ranged attack roll is made. But unless we're deciding to discard p271 and p290, I can't see a valid reading that [i]doesn't[/i] have Nimble Strike provoking when you initiate the power. And if we're discarding rules, we can make anything say whatever we like. (Or, to phrase it another way - p271 and p290 use completely unambiguous phrasing, while 268 uses the unfortunate word choice of 'attack', which has at least four different uses in 4E. So while there's ambiguity as to what 268 is saying, 271 and 290 clear up the confusion.) -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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