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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus2" data-source="post: 866149" data-attributes="member: 11586">Sorry about that alignment debate on the other thread, it got kind of out of hand there.  I didn't intend to start such a thing, but people took my comment personally or something and decided to chime in.  ANYWAY...I think the point here is that, CdG isn't broken BECAUSE of the extreme situations one must be in.  It does a hellofa lotta damage, assuming your opponent is helpless and there is no one else around to stop you.  Much the same way as a Rogue does a lot of damage with Sneak Attack IF the are put in specific situations.One way to test if something is broken is not just how much damage it can do, or how hard it is to make the saving throw, but also how easy it is to pull that action off.  Each situation will be different.So people are giving you some reasons why you might think it is "broken".  What I've been reading is, given the set up you presented the players, it was too easy to pull off.  THAT is what is making it seem broken.  Other posters here were given you some examples of how to avoid such a thing, or why such a thing should not have happened at all.  This was, essentially, what I was trying to do as well with my comment about them being "evil".  Unfortuantely I didn't present it in a very good matter, and unfortuantely others blew it out of proportion.If casting an alarm spell is a good deterent for CdG, if posting watch is a good deterent for CdG, then maybe alignment could also be a good deterent for CdG.  That was the point I tried to make before, but seemed to have failed miserably.  Do you (the Original Poster, the DM of this group, and no one else please) think a Good or Neutral person should CdG someone (whether they are the friendly town cobbler or the Lawful Evil Fire Giant of Raping and Pillaging) in their sleep?  If not, then you've just found ANOTHER way to deter the group from using CdG.  If you think it is perfectly fine for Good people to CdG Fire Giants in their sleep, then there are plenty of other ways to prevent it (as others have mentioned).</blockquote>

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