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<blockquote data-quote="kerbarian" data-source="post: 4717411" data-attributes="member: 40393"><p>The coup de grace entry says that "You can deliver a coup de grace against a helpless enemy adjacent to you. Use any attack power you could normally use against the enemy, including a basic attack." Underneath, it says "<em>Hit</em>: You score a critical hit."</p><p></p><p>I have some questions (and best guesses at answers) on how this works in certain situations. Has there been any official clarification on this?</p><p></p><p><strong>Q1:</strong> A wizard is adjacent to multiple helpless enemies and decides to use Thunder Wave as a coup de grace. What happens?</p><p><strong>A1:</strong> The Thunder Wave can target multiple helpless enemies, but only one of them can be the coup de grace target; hits against the others don't turn into crits. This is based on the phrasing "against <strong>a</strong> helpless enemy".</p><p></p><p><strong>Q2:</strong> A ranger uses Twin Strike to deliver a coup de grace. What happens?</p><p><strong>A2:</strong> The "<em>Hit</em>: You score a critical hit." effect happens for each hit, so the ranger will likely get two critical hits. If the total damage from both crits equals the creature's bloodied value, it dies.</p><p></p><p><strong>Q3:</strong> A fighter with the Reckless Attacker feat (MP p.144) delivers a coup de grace and crits. What happens?</p><p><strong>A3:</strong> The Reckless Attacker feat grants an extra melee basic attack as a free action, which the fighter can use against the helpless target. If he hits with the extra attack, it is not turned into a crit, because the attack wasn't part of the power chosen for the coup de grace attack. The damage from the extra attack is not counted when determining if the total damage equals the target's bloodied value.</p><p></p><p>Do those look right?</p><p></p><p>I've been considering a house rule that a coup de grace can only turn a single hit into a crit, rather than all hits of a power -- this was inspired by the combo of Sleep / Rain of Blows, which can easily take out an unscathed elite by dealing his bloodied value in one coup de grace.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kerbarian, post: 4717411, member: 40393"] The coup de grace entry says that "You can deliver a coup de grace against a helpless enemy adjacent to you. Use any attack power you could normally use against the enemy, including a basic attack." Underneath, it says "[i]Hit[/i]: You score a critical hit." I have some questions (and best guesses at answers) on how this works in certain situations. Has there been any official clarification on this? [b]Q1:[/b] A wizard is adjacent to multiple helpless enemies and decides to use Thunder Wave as a coup de grace. What happens? [b]A1:[/b] The Thunder Wave can target multiple helpless enemies, but only one of them can be the coup de grace target; hits against the others don't turn into crits. This is based on the phrasing "against [b]a[/b] helpless enemy". [b]Q2:[/b] A ranger uses Twin Strike to deliver a coup de grace. What happens? [b]A2:[/b] The "[i]Hit[/i]: You score a critical hit." effect happens for each hit, so the ranger will likely get two critical hits. If the total damage from both crits equals the creature's bloodied value, it dies. [b]Q3:[/b] A fighter with the Reckless Attacker feat (MP p.144) delivers a coup de grace and crits. What happens? [b]A3:[/b] The Reckless Attacker feat grants an extra melee basic attack as a free action, which the fighter can use against the helpless target. If he hits with the extra attack, it is not turned into a crit, because the attack wasn't part of the power chosen for the coup de grace attack. The damage from the extra attack is not counted when determining if the total damage equals the target's bloodied value. Do those look right? I've been considering a house rule that a coup de grace can only turn a single hit into a crit, rather than all hits of a power -- this was inspired by the combo of Sleep / Rain of Blows, which can easily take out an unscathed elite by dealing his bloodied value in one coup de grace. [/QUOTE]
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