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Coup de grace useless beyond Heroric Tier?
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<blockquote data-quote="WalterKovacs" data-source="post: 4925707" data-attributes="member: 63763"><p>There is no penalty if you don't kill the PC. If there is only one monster doing a single coup de grace before the PC is healed ... it's a wasted action.</p><p> </p><p>If enough monsters perform coup de grace on the target, they can kill him before he gets healed. They don't <em>have</em> to kill him in a single blow, so long as the combined damage adds up to finish the PC off.</p><p> </p><p>If the monster(s) know there is a healer in the group they should coup de grace as they see fit. Either they have a good feeling they can finish the PC off and do so before the healer does their job OR, they ignore the downed PC, and go after different targets. Or they try to take down and CDG one of the healer's in the first place. </p><p> </p><p>CDG'ing an unconcious PC may sometimes be he right call for a monster, but as with many other changes, 4e wanted to eliminate save or die from the equation. If the monster(s) can't through additional attacks finish the PC off (action points, minor action attacks, multiple monsters attacking, etc ...) it might be smarter to move the PC away from the rest of the party. If the PC is moved out of range (or breaking line of effect/sight) they can disrupt the healing and either leave the PC to roll a 20 or eventually die ... or CDG in peace.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WalterKovacs, post: 4925707, member: 63763"] There is no penalty if you don't kill the PC. If there is only one monster doing a single coup de grace before the PC is healed ... it's a wasted action. If enough monsters perform coup de grace on the target, they can kill him before he gets healed. They don't [i]have[/i] to kill him in a single blow, so long as the combined damage adds up to finish the PC off. If the monster(s) know there is a healer in the group they should coup de grace as they see fit. Either they have a good feeling they can finish the PC off and do so before the healer does their job OR, they ignore the downed PC, and go after different targets. Or they try to take down and CDG one of the healer's in the first place. CDG'ing an unconcious PC may sometimes be he right call for a monster, but as with many other changes, 4e wanted to eliminate save or die from the equation. If the monster(s) can't through additional attacks finish the PC off (action points, minor action attacks, multiple monsters attacking, etc ...) it might be smarter to move the PC away from the rest of the party. If the PC is moved out of range (or breaking line of effect/sight) they can disrupt the healing and either leave the PC to roll a 20 or eventually die ... or CDG in peace. [/QUOTE]
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