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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ceratitis" data-source="post: 2862380" data-attributes="member: 39937">going back to the original post, a rogue can use his sneak attack which at say level 10 is 5d6 to his regular critical hit and the save or die roll would be 10+weapon damage (prob d6)+ critical damage (prob another d6) +sneak damage of 5d6 +str... nothing is going to survive this right? it is assumed that if you take the time to do it you pretty much tear his heart or rip his throat open which is why his chances of survival are so low. so far all by the rules iirc.now take power attack, the fighters ability to really smash things up like say skulls or cut them open like say rib cages and you think its wrong for him to use it? i'd definatly allow its use. however seeing as in this special case there is no attack roll and therefor no penalty for such an attack i'd rule some kind of limit on the amount of bab tha can be transfered to damage. maybe no more then 1/level? maybe something linked to the targets ac (even though it would still be an automatic hit).i tend to drift into house rule talk in this kind of situation where common sense and game balance seem to clash with the rules, hope you dont mind <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Z</blockquote>