Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wayside" data-source="post: 2271970" data-attributes="member: 8394">Um, how is it a stretch to believe what the movies say flat out (back in TPM, in case you wiped your memory after suffering through, err, seeing it  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )? Aside from it being an embarassingly common construction, Prophecy--Chosen One--Immaculate Conception, that, at least for me, doesn't suit the feel of Star Wars at all, this is the material the story gives us. Everything else is superimposed by the viewers.The way Obi-Wan beat Anakin was cheesey too, so it isn't like there's a shortage of cheese here. They've been flipping at each other through the whole movie, but now, oh no you better not! I have the higher ground and if you flip this time I'll cut off your legs! Oh I don't think you will! Oh you'd better think again! I swear at one point I heard 'tis but a flesh wound.'Exactly. For some reason a lot of people look at balance and see an equation of good and evil (call it pop Taoism or something). In terms of the philosophical systems Lucas was working with, balance is not a ratio of good to evil: good is balance, and evil is produced precisely at the point where balance is lost and things come tumbling down. Evil is simply imbalance, so it's nonsensical to talk about a balance of good and evil--a balance of balance and imbalance? This isn't just what Lucas says, it's at the heart of the systems the Force is presumably based on. It's why Obi-Wan can call the Sith evil and say only Sith deal in absolutes in the same breath.Does he imply it in the script or the novelization? I haven't read those, so maybe there's a scene that was cut from the movie? There is no such implication in the movie itself. I have the scene in question in front of me as we speak, and it isn't even clear whether Sidious knew Plagueis as more than a Sith legend:And then a little later:That's it. No implication that Sidious was even his apprentice, let alone that Plagueis lived recently enough to have created Anakin, or that Sidious knows the power and could have created Anakin himself. This is semi-relevant to the original topic in the question "why does the Emperor save Vader?" That is, for the same reason Plagueis keeps his loved ones alive.</blockquote>

Verification