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<blockquote data-quote="Gaiden" data-source="post: 1260069" data-attributes="member: 103"><p>The answer is most definitely yes for several reasons:</p><p></p><p>Simplest Reason - Ettin was unaware of the attack. Regardless of whether he was on his guard, there was no way for him to know that he was going to see the arrow coming (all else being equal) until after it was fired, i.e. after the attack was made.</p><p></p><p>No Dex bonus - Ettin was considered flatfooted against the attack and therefore had no dex bonus.</p><p></p><p>Invisibile attacker - if you attack with 100% concealment, by definition you are invisible. When you are invisible opponents lose their dex bonus and you get sneak attack.</p><p></p><p>About the only argument that can be made against any of these is for the second one. If you already rolled initiative, then technically the ettic wasn't flatfooted. However, that is where the other two arguments would kick in.</p><p></p><p>Because the whole architecture of the rules does not make too much sense in terms of continuity with surprise rounds, I have a houserule that if in some way after a creature has rolled initiative, it would effectively be surprised *by new combatants*, those new combatants can get a free surprise round in between rounds (right before the round they would act). This also requires them to roll initiative and they don't automatically go first in the round.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gaiden, post: 1260069, member: 103"] The answer is most definitely yes for several reasons: Simplest Reason - Ettin was unaware of the attack. Regardless of whether he was on his guard, there was no way for him to know that he was going to see the arrow coming (all else being equal) until after it was fired, i.e. after the attack was made. No Dex bonus - Ettin was considered flatfooted against the attack and therefore had no dex bonus. Invisibile attacker - if you attack with 100% concealment, by definition you are invisible. When you are invisible opponents lose their dex bonus and you get sneak attack. About the only argument that can be made against any of these is for the second one. If you already rolled initiative, then technically the ettic wasn't flatfooted. However, that is where the other two arguments would kick in. Because the whole architecture of the rules does not make too much sense in terms of continuity with surprise rounds, I have a houserule that if in some way after a creature has rolled initiative, it would effectively be surprised *by new combatants*, those new combatants can get a free surprise round in between rounds (right before the round they would act). This also requires them to roll initiative and they don't automatically go first in the round. [/QUOTE]
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