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<blockquote data-quote="Golem Joe" data-source="post: 268220" data-attributes="member: 4123"><p>But how much useless info was in that monster book? How much tweaking do you have to do to fit creatures like Wendigos and Skinwalkers, tailored for Native American lore, into your DnD game? Understand, dual-stat is not my prefered way of doing things either, but its become a necessary evil since games I like (7th Sea, Fading Suns, Deadlands) have embraced the d20 system in hopes to promote their settings. I find it interesting you've no problem plumming setting specific books for feats and prestige classes, potentially disregarding all the (useless) setting material, but when it comes to alien game stats, you have a fit. Oriental Adventures offers a lot of info that is useless to my GH game, and I won't buy it regardless of ninjas or feats.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Huh? So you are normally more apathetic to adventures with nothing but d20 stats? Well then by all means, let me suggest a few non-d20 adventures that should make you positively giddy.</p><p></p><p>Adventures are worth more than just stat-blocks. I can always convert a good adventure one way or another. The value of an adventure is subjective anyway. There are some really crappy d20 adventures out there that aren't worth the paper they're printed on, but those are supposed to be better values because they aren't dual stated? Whatever.</p><p></p><p>If the Hermit tanks as a product, its gonna have more to do with the quality of the adventure than the number of pages devoted to <em>useless</em> content. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First of all, The Hermit was originally an LA adventure, designed to introduce people to the system years ago when it was run exclusively (the mod, not the game) on Macray's Keep. So in this chicken or the egg instance (no pun intended), there would be no adventure w/o the LA system.</p><p></p><p>Second, I don't pretend to know the specifics behind TLGs and Gygax. But I will say this: my first TLG book was Canting Crew. My next will be The Hermit and the World Builders book. Not because they were written by Gygax, but because they have some support for LA. So TLG gets a customer they otherwise would have missed. And I know plenty of other LA players who will do the same. If TLG were to put out sourcebooks that covered LA but weren't written by Gygax, I'd seriously look at those as well. In fact, I say <strong>bring it on!</strong> If the quality is there, they'd get the full support of the LA community -- even if all they did was offer conversions as a web enhancement. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>Now there's no doubt d20 has a larger audience than LA. But does TLG lose more d20 customers by dual stating these books than they gain through LA players? I dunno. Obviously not or they'd probably renegotiate their deal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Golem Joe, post: 268220, member: 4123"] But how much useless info was in that monster book? How much tweaking do you have to do to fit creatures like Wendigos and Skinwalkers, tailored for Native American lore, into your DnD game? Understand, dual-stat is not my prefered way of doing things either, but its become a necessary evil since games I like (7th Sea, Fading Suns, Deadlands) have embraced the d20 system in hopes to promote their settings. I find it interesting you've no problem plumming setting specific books for feats and prestige classes, potentially disregarding all the (useless) setting material, but when it comes to alien game stats, you have a fit. Oriental Adventures offers a lot of info that is useless to my GH game, and I won't buy it regardless of ninjas or feats. Huh? So you are normally more apathetic to adventures with nothing but d20 stats? Well then by all means, let me suggest a few non-d20 adventures that should make you positively giddy. Adventures are worth more than just stat-blocks. I can always convert a good adventure one way or another. The value of an adventure is subjective anyway. There are some really crappy d20 adventures out there that aren't worth the paper they're printed on, but those are supposed to be better values because they aren't dual stated? Whatever. If the Hermit tanks as a product, its gonna have more to do with the quality of the adventure than the number of pages devoted to [i]useless[/i] content. First of all, The Hermit was originally an LA adventure, designed to introduce people to the system years ago when it was run exclusively (the mod, not the game) on Macray's Keep. So in this chicken or the egg instance (no pun intended), there would be no adventure w/o the LA system. Second, I don't pretend to know the specifics behind TLGs and Gygax. But I will say this: my first TLG book was Canting Crew. My next will be The Hermit and the World Builders book. Not because they were written by Gygax, but because they have some support for LA. So TLG gets a customer they otherwise would have missed. And I know plenty of other LA players who will do the same. If TLG were to put out sourcebooks that covered LA but weren't written by Gygax, I'd seriously look at those as well. In fact, I say [b]bring it on![/b] If the quality is there, they'd get the full support of the LA community -- even if all they did was offer conversions as a web enhancement. :D Now there's no doubt d20 has a larger audience than LA. But does TLG lose more d20 customers by dual stating these books than they gain through LA players? I dunno. Obviously not or they'd probably renegotiate their deal. [/QUOTE]
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